News

NEW MID ENGINED V6 (LITTLE BROTHER)

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by ajr550, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. SoCal to az

    SoCal to az F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 25, 2012
    8,376
    Arizona
    And you know this cause you’ve driven both cars?
     
    LMH and Shadowfax like this.
  2. ScrappyB

    ScrappyB Formula Junior

    Oct 3, 2017
    485
    Full Name:
    T
    Would be impressed if the SF90 is quicker than the 765LT around a circuit given there is a 700+ pound weight difference (which is kind of crazy when you think about it).
     
    LMH, Gh21631 and IPO1 like this.
  3. SVR

    SVR Karting

    Feb 9, 2017
    109
    Moscow, Russia
    No-no. Only guys, who wrote, about 765 best performer and easy life, driven them.

    And I can speak Only my thoughts.

    *LB will beat 765 too )
     
  4. Doug23

    Doug23 Karting

    Jun 23, 2017
    174
    Italy
    No, SF90S is built around a different (and new) platform. It would be unfeasible to put all the hardware needed for PHEV and EAWD on the old platform.




    Inviato dal mio BAH-L09 utilizzando Tapatalk
     
    of2worlds and MANDALAY like this.
  5. SVR

    SVR Karting

    Feb 9, 2017
    109
    Moscow, Russia
    My English is too poor for big talk about it, but for me it’s same platform, with some changes.
    458 is NA, 488 is turbocharged. It has Much more power and torque. new engine architecture, new vents on sides, new radiators and cooling system in front, new active aero in rear, new brakes, etc, but basically it’s the same car. And you can see it by your eyes. Silhouette, proportions, size. At sf90 they are the same.
    Only rear part is higher, exactly because of some electric components.
    LB will be real new, and we will see it, because it will be different.
     
  6. Gh21631

    Gh21631 F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 24, 2011
    5,082
    East
    I bet LB will be slightly faster than a Pista but no match for the 720 or 765. It will be too heavy to compete. Time will tell.
     
    LMH, Shadowfax and SoCal to az like this.
  7. Dicecal

    Dicecal Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 15, 2015
    944
    Phoenix, AZ
    Full Name:
    Rob
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Agree!
     
    Gh21631 likes this.
  8. SoCal to az

    SoCal to az F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 25, 2012
    8,376
    Arizona
    agree but I am intrigued by this car and have asked my dealer to put me on the “list”
     
  9. Gh21631

    Gh21631 F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 24, 2011
    5,082
    East
    Why not, it might be awesome. Personally I favor what the Pista and 765LT have to offer but my mind can be changed.
     
  10. SoCal to az

    SoCal to az F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 25, 2012
    8,376
    Arizona
    timing works for me. We just started to build a new house. My wife allows me to indulge my stupidity. Will have a 6 car garage for me. Should be 2.5 years out and I will need to add something special in there once it’s done. Might as well be this....
     
    Gh21631 likes this.
  11. of2worlds

    of2worlds F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 6, 2004
    14,068
    ON
    Full Name:
    CH
    What does the new Maserati MC20 share with LB? It features a new TT 3L V6.
     
  12. Doug23

    Doug23 Karting

    Jun 23, 2017
    174
    Italy
    The Mc20's V6 is derived from the Giulia Quadrifoglio engine (which is loosely based on the Ferrari TT V8 and manufactured in FCA facilities)
    The LB will have a brand new V6 which shares nothing with the other existing engines.

    Moreover, Ferrari and Maserati are following indipendent paths for what concerns hybrids and electrification.

    Inviato dal mio BAH-L09 utilizzando Tapatalk
     
    F2003-GA, Gh21631 and of2worlds like this.
  13. of2worlds

    of2worlds F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 6, 2004
    14,068
    ON
    Full Name:
    CH
    Lots of good information as usual from the 'motor valley' there. Thank you Doug23!!!
     
    Doug23 likes this.
  14. xskier

    xskier Karting

    Mar 2, 2013
    202
    The differnce from the 720s to the 765lt in acceleration is about the same as 488gtb to Pista
    = big difference

    Sf90 stradale 0-100 2,5sec / 0-200 6,7 sec / 100-200kmh 4.2 sec

    765lt 0-100kmh 2,8sec / 0-200 7,2 sec / 100-200kmh 4,4sec 0-300kmh 17,5 sec

    this are official figures, i do believe that in real world the 765lt is faster above 100kmh till high speed. At 220kmh the elec motor of the sf90 stradale disconnect (max speed) (real world weight around 1750-1800kg) so only the 780hp cumbustion engine remines to pull this heavy car up to the vmax
    And an other factore is that max acceleration is only available with fully charged batteries 0-220kmh, (afterwards pure combustion engine power)
     
    LMH and Gh21631 like this.
  15. 9nb

    9nb Karting

    Sep 1, 2012
    227
    At this point I would be more worried about McLaren’s survival, they might not exist soon and this hypothetical comparison will be moot. I hope they survive, I’d love to see their hybrid V6 concept/strategy vs Ferrari’s. The next Sports Series is suppose to debut their V6 Hybrid architecture and LB will debut Ferrari’s. Though with covid, both timelines might be affected. Is anyone aware of Ferrari’s plan to debut LB, time or place? Online reveal at Maranello or at autoshows (if they come back)?
     
    Jo Sta7 likes this.
  16. day355

    day355 Formula Junior

    Jun 25, 2006
    654
    [QUOTE = "xskier, post: 147297235, member: 136560"] ce sont des chiffres officiels, je crois que dans le monde réel le 765lt est plus rapide au-dessus de 100kmh jusqu'à grande vitesse. À 220 km / h, le moteur électrique de la déconnexion stradale sf90 (vitesse maximale) (donc réel le moteur autour de 1750-1800 kg), donc seul le moteur à combustion de 780 ch reste à tirer cette voiture lourde jusqu'à la vmax [ /CITATION]

    Near of 500 kg difference between the 2 cars, there s no match because it s not the same feed back with an heavy car like the SF is...
     
    of2worlds likes this.
  17. CT Audi Fan

    CT Audi Fan Formula Junior

    Oct 23, 2011
    517
    It would seem, if I’m reading the reviews correctly, that while the front electric motors do cut off at that speed, the rear electric motor then takes over so the full 986 horsepower remains driving only the rear wheels.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
    Doug23 likes this.
  18. Shack

    Shack Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed Owner

    May 2, 2005
    1,960
    Earth
    This is why the 765LT Spyder interests me way more than the SF90
     
  19. LMH

    LMH Karting

    May 5, 2019
    134
    Spain
    Let’s also remember that the electric motor in the SF90 will last around 10/20 minutes, so if you are out for a nice long route, the majority of the time you’ll have a heavy sports car.

    My view is:
    - the first 10/20 minutes SF90 is faster
    - after that for the rest of the day, 765LT faster
     
  20. xskier

    xskier Karting

    Mar 2, 2013
    202
    That is incorrect. The 2 elec motors on the front axel disconnect a 220kph. The third motor remains as it is integrated in the driving shaft, but output is limited, and depending massivly of battery status.
    Thus above 220kph you are almost down to 780 ps coming from the combustion engine, with little bit elec power, coming from the third motor integrated in the driving shaft.
     
  21. Doug23

    Doug23 Karting

    Jun 23, 2017
    174
    Italy
    Where is stated that above 220kph the rear MGU ouput is limited? Apart the obvious case when the battery is depleted.

    Inviato dal mio BAH-L09 utilizzando Tapatalk
     
  22. day355

    day355 Formula Junior

    Jun 25, 2006
    654
    You re right ! nothing replace a lightweight
     
    LMH and Shack like this.
  23. Shadowfax

    Shadowfax F1 Rookie

    Jun 10, 2016
    3,204
    Australia
    This is correct - the feedback is falsified to give a sense of security with all the nannies trying to control all the weight just to keep it on the road along with the AWD systems. And while sf90 may not feel heavy to drive the laws of physics will take over and the lighter car will prevail. Also it may not last the 10 minutes anyway. Let's all face it, electronics and batteries has never exactly been Ferrari's strong suit so far. So yes the odds on favorite would be the 765 for the win and SF90 a long shot.
     
  24. day355

    day355 Formula Junior

    Jun 25, 2006
    654
    SF 90 is a nosense .
    It ll be funny to have a car such a 765 with about 1360 real kg !
     
    Shack and Shadowfax like this.
  25. Jo Sta7

    Jo Sta7 F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 13, 2015
    2,820
    Scottsdale/Pittsburgh
    Full Name:
    Jon
    765LT will be the greatest used car buy of all time in 4-5 years. A legit hypercar.
     
    Boomhauer likes this.

Share This Page