NEW MID ENGINED V6 (LITTLE BROTHER)

You are right, of course: I just wanted to say that it's a Ferrari derived engine. Of course is not a "cut" engine. I have to say that I don't know if the Alfa V6 has a crossplane (120°) cranckshaft, but it's very likely. I neither know if the Alfa has (as i think) the turbochargers with bushings (like Portofino and so on) or the ballbearings turbochargers (like the 488-Pista-F8 only). Do you have any info about that?

ciao

 

Probably a cross plane with split pin to achieve 120 deg. firing interval (in a 90 deg. block).

Hope the new V6 is 60 (or 65) or 120 deg., the latter for low CG.

 

Alfa V6 crankshaft is a 120 deg without split pins
https://www.autotecnica.org/alfa-romeo-tecnica-v6-510-cv/

 

Thanks for the link.

By 120, I meant 120 firing intervals.

So with no split-pin, it's actually a non-even firing arrangement (ordine di scoppio 'zoppo') and like the article states as mandated in F1 currently.

Because this uneven firing is not as nice sounding as a 120 firing arrangement this is why we should hope for a 60 or 120 deg arrangement for Ferrari's V6.

 

You're right, I meant the angle between throws and the resulting odd-firing interval is 90-150

 

Yes, 120 crank, understood.

Thanks again for the link. It's the first time I saw so much detail on that engine.

 

It has the best bank angle to have a good balancing (I don't know the English word, in italian is "Bilanciamento"), that is only one angle value for a V6 engine

ciao

 

I guess it's a V6 angle well known in Ferrari's history, especially when coupled with two turbos

 

I don't remember anything…

ciao

 

Now that SF90 Stradale has been shown and Ferrari has stated that hybrid system found in SF90 will be used in other vehicles within the lineup, would this mean that upcoming v6 model and all hybrid vehicles from Ferrari will be all wheel drive?

 

I think the little brother’s timing may turn out to be perfect. The SF90 will have been out 2 years and hopefully any issues with the hybrid system will have been addressed. Also, it will be available at a lower price point.

Now I’m crossing my fingers that the design will be a departure from the 458/488/F8.

 

How can power be up so much on the engine given a 25% reduction in engine size ?

If the price is Pista range that pushes it up the scale and the Portorfino coupe becomes the entry Ferrari at the 488 GTB / F8 price ?

 

From Autocar:

“So back to the F8 and its successor. If an SF90 is a very performance-orientated car with high fun to drive, the F8 successor will have less performance [than 1000hp] but maybe more fun to drive. More driving emotions, more capable, even lighter… We’re thinking of some specialities.”

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ferrari-tech-boss-evs-v12s-and-next-laferrari

 

It s not so difficult, it can t be worse

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ferrari-shelves-plan-entry-level-dino-model

 

15 new models by 2022... woah

 

Ferrari annonce this in plan in September 2018

 

My understanding was that should they produce a rear ME V6 it wouldn’t be an entry level car but a smaller light weight ME weapon.

 

must have missed it or wasn't paying close enough attention. I knew 5 models this year in 2019, but I didn't know 5 models every year for the next 3-4 years. That is intense! VIPs will be racking up frequent flier miles going to Maranello every 3-4 months

 

[chief commercial officer] ‘Galliera said: “Our product line-up is basically trying to redesign our positioning, but we don’t feel there is a need for an entry-price [model] in our product range, and we plan to remain consistent with what we already declared we want to do.” ‘

Interesting if true, and a bit disappointing.
I would have strongly considered a ~$200k Dino as a replacement for my 911.
Thinking in terms of Pista and SF90 pricing, it would seem they’re doubling down on higher price points, presumably as a means to maintain exclusivity, artificially inflating the sense of luxury, and increasing per unit profit.

As the number of $200-500k cars by all marques increases, this is a bold gamble.
Makes me wonder how they will price/position the FUV relative to other big-$ SUVs.

 

Its the perfect approach for them in my opinion, going down to try and compete with a very crowded 911, R8, 560/520, Huracan, Astons, MercGTS, etc... I mean its a mess in that band. Why should they? All those brands are struggling big time right right (Performantes sitting on lots.. 911s there a thousands of them). Ferrari needs to keep on current pace for price and exclusivity, once they become the lease special of the month its over for them! My guess for pricing on the FUV/SUV is take the LussoT and go up from there. Here in Canada thats $305k ..

 

It is amazing too, the mid-range torque is a ton of fun, and even at freeway speeds it vaults ahead. I keep thinking, "Why doesn't Alfa put this in more cars!?" It would make a tire-ripping lightweight 4C, and in a larger sedan an S63/S8 competitor.

 

I don’t disagree with you
However, focusing at a higher price point seems at odds with the reported goals of higher volume sales and increasing the number of new buyers
I will be curious to see how it all shakes out over the next few years

 

I think Uhn2000 is correct. Ferrari doesnt want to play in the 200k market. There you have Mclaren 570, Porsche 911, Aston, Bentley, used lambos and 488s - Its a mess full of tire kickers and "Anti Depreciation Owners"

They want higher sales but that can come from an incremental increase in production and a massive increase in entry price. They want to be in their own category and other than Lambo- no one else is there. Porsche is pushing the market with the 300 speedster and those are already selling at MSRP - GT2 are sitting on the market tanking cause people are realizing that 300k for a porsche is really pushing it.

 

A V6 can never be a cross plane crank as it cannot be made with a 90 degree offset.

It makes little sense to make a flat plane V6 as a 120 degree crank would mean least amount of balance needed.

Not sure any manufacture has ever attempted a flat plane V6, and not sure if there's any advantage to that over a 6 pin crank for a 60 degree V6.