Also, the people that were told to "GET OUT" prior to the hurricane's arrival and did not heed the warnings are not too wise either. Now we have to spend time and man power (not to mention risking the lives of the rescuers)rescuing these people when we could be concentrating on others and other matters.
I'm not trying to condone it, but remember, these people have lost everything, and they're begining to loose hope. This storm will bring out both the best and the worst in people...
the worst was already there before the storm... Katrina didn't change their behaviors, just gave them the opportunity to pursue their calling... lawlessness and havoc.
Good point but let's not forget the good people are doing. I liked the quote of the Gulf Port mayor: "This storm doesn't build character. It reveals it." Dane
I remember an ariticle in the P&R section that somebody posted. It was making the claim that there are 3 broad types of people in the world Sheep Wolves SheepDogs I think we can see all three types come out full force when the veneer of civilization gets stripped. Erich In a disaster, which would you be?
Oh and then you have to add the amazing NEW ORLEANS POLICE considered one of the worst trained and corrupt police forces in North America... god help them...
The shooting is retarded, and from what the TV showed, so is 90% of the looting. But, if I had no food or fresh water, I'd sure as hell "loot" an A&P too if they had no one who could accept my payment for the goods. Stealing shoes, deodorant, etc. is over the top. A lot of the food in the store is spoiling anyway, I'd rather see someone take it and use it to keep their family alive than watch boxes of apples, frozen food, etc. rot. Granted, most of the looters are probably just thieving bastards and I'm trying to add justification to what they are doing. If you get caught with a TV or something you should be shot on the spot IMO.
It ticks me off that a store like Wal-Mart deals in firearms, but when a hurricane bears down they abandon the store without securing any of these items. That to me is as irresponsible as any gun owner who doesn't secure his weapon with a child in the house. As if they never heard of looting before. Also, did you read about the Tallahassee hotels kicking out refugees to make room for football fans who reserved the rooms for the big game this weekend? According to one hotel manager, Miami fans who made these reservations months ago would be very upset if their rooms had been given away. Whatever, buddy. It sure sucks having to choose between humanitarianism and capitalism.
Agreed, but the people taking food and not neccessities are NOT being deemed as 'looters'. The police are actually helping a lot of people take food... Looting in this instance is dumb....You can steal the a brand new T.V. but the what the hell you gonna do with it??? bring it on to the refugee bus with you? That wouldn't be obvious...There is nowhere to hide the stuff your looting because the only way out of the city is through the government.
The hotels have to do that. And they have always stuck to that principle...In 2000, when the whole world was in Tallahassee for the Gore-Bush recount... All the reporters got kicked out of the hotels for the same reason. I found it funny in that situation but this situation it kinda sucks...but the evacuees can deal with it for 3 days...they have a lot bigger problems then sleeping in a car or going to another city for 3 days.
I was told that, so long as you're not breaking the law and are paying your bill, a hotel cannot force you to leave. A form of "squatting" during high-occupancy periods. Anyway, I'm sure it's going to end up as bad press for the hotels.
No matter if a guest (transient no matter how you slice it) has been there for a month, previous reservations take priority. Once a hotel (transient/temporary housing) is booked solid with reservations for specified dates, all one can do is hope for a cancellation. Kinda sucks being called a "transient," doesn't it?
Thousands of people there are extremely poor and may not of had the means or the money to get out. I did not see the city providing bussing for this. Am I wrong? The Dome looked like the best place. I hope to see job-fair type's of things going on in the cities where people are being relocated to. I think 'Nawlins will move to Marshall Law.
You know, after this I personally wouldn't help any of these people. They don't deserve anything other than some hot lead IMO. By ROBERT TANNER AP National Writer NEW ORLEANS Managers at the Covenant Home nursing center were prepared to cope with power outages and supply shortages following Hurricane Katrina. They weren't ready for looters. The nursing home lost its bus after the driver surrendered it to carjackers. Groups of people then drove by the center, shouting to residents, "Get out!" On Wednesday, 80 residents, most of them in wheelchairs, were evacuated to other nursing homes in the state. "We had excellent plans. We had enough food for 10 days," said Peggy Hoffman, the home's executive director. "Now we'll have to equip our department heads with guns and teach them how to shoot." Looters around New Orleans spent another day Wednesday threatening survivors and ransacking stores. Some were desperate for food _ others just wanted beer and TVs. The risk to safety prompted Mayor Ray Nagin to order virtually all the city's 1,500 police officers to leave their search-and-rescue mission and return to the streets to stop the thefts that turned more hostile as the city plunged deeper into chaos. "They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas _ hotels, hospitals, and we're going to stop it right now," Nagin said in a statement to The Associated Press. Amid the turmoil Wednesday, thieves commandeered a forklift and used it to push up the storm shutters and break the glass of a Rite-Aid pharmacy. A crowd stormed the store, carrying out so much water and food that it dropped from their arms as they ran. The street was littered with packages of ramen noodles and other items. Some outside the same Rite-Aid on Thursday were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence. "I'm a Christian. I feel bad going in there," he said. Earl Baker of Kenner carried toothpaste, tooth brushes and deodorant. "Look, I'm only getting necessities," he told a reporter. "All of this is personal hygiene. I ain't getting nothing to get drunk or high with." New Orleans' homeland security chief, Terry Ebbert, said looters were breaking into stores all over town and stealing guns. He said there are gangs of armed men moving around the city. At one point, officers stranded on the roof of a hotel were fired at by people on the street. Authorities said another officer was shot in the head and a looter was wounded in a shootout. Both were expected to survive. Looters also chased down a state police truck full of food. The New Orleans police chief ran off looters while city officials themselves were commandeering equipment from a looted Office Depot. During a state of emergency, authorities have broad powers to take private supplies and buildings for their use. Tenet Healthcare Corp. said late Wednesday that it would evacuate one of its fully functioning hospitals in Gretna after a supply truck carrying food, water, medical supplies and pharmaceuticals was held up by gunmen. The hospital has about 350 staff members and 125 to 150 patients. "There are physical threats to safety from roving bands of armed individuals with weapons who are threatening the safety of the hospital," spokesman Steven Campanini said. In another incident, two officers drew their guns on looters, but the thieves left without incident. One of the officers said he was not going to arrest anyone for snatching up food and water. "It's really difficult because my opinion of the looting is it started with people running out of food, and you can't really argue with that too much," Nagin said. "Then it escalated to this kind of mass chaos where people are taking electronic stuff and all that." Gov. Kathleen Blanco said she has asked the White House to send more people to help with evacuations and rescues, thereby freeing up National Guardsmen to stop looters. An additional 10,000 National Guard troops from across the country began pouring into the Gulf Coast on Wednesday to shore up security, rescue and relief operations. The new units brought the number of troops dedicated to the effort to more than 28,000, in what may be the largest military response to a natural disaster. "We will restore law and order," Blanco said. "What angers me the most is that disasters like this often bring out the worst in people. I will not tolerate this kind of behavior."
And the Lefty Liberal peaceniks who would take away your Second Amendment right to bear arms think that things like this could never happen here in America. How long did it take for the absolute lawlessness to break out in LA during the Rodney King riots? And how long after the hurricane hit in New Orleans? 12 hours? 24 hours? When the chips are down, you're on your own. Respect comes from the end of a gun barrel during times of strife. Desperate times need desperate measures.
Fox just showed video of a dead man lying on the side of a freeway, stating that the government is not doing enough to help. Did I not see choppers helping out? Our wonderful media is at it again.
On a separate topic, what are your thoughts on them rebuilding NO? Given the fact that the city is below sea level and susceptible to flooding with all the levees, etc... do you think they should be allowed to rebuild? Should the insurance industry pay to have homes rebuild in an area that is so susceptible to hurricanes only to potentially have to make another huge settlement 3-5 years down the line? Just curious, I have mixed feelings... My heart does go out to those people who are suffering and who are truly in need of assistance. As for the looters stealing shoes, sports apparel, electronics, those people should be shot.
The medivac choppers have been scrambled without cover.... No USN Chinooks, no armed 'copters escort at all!!!!!!! They cannot land due to the crowds of desperate people on the pads. Shades of the fall of Saigon........ They cannot land and are drawing potshots from the crowd. They better start providing squadrons of 'copters, for cover..........this is gonna get bad......hard to believe, in our own country..... The Mayor is on his own, it seems, they knew the hospitals only had a few days of fuel, at most. That was a given......
Here's the deal, pardner. FEMA settles on your house value the day before the loss occured. You get check. Bulldozer plows your house into a pile and throws it into a dump truck. That lot is condemned, forever! That's what Allison did, here in Houston, Texas.