The shifter in every vette i've driven felt like a baseball bat in a barrel of coconuts.
That is for sure 100%. I have a scuderia coming in March. But would not mind get the ZR1 to mess around with. Only has 10.5 lbs of boost stock. Put on a aftermarket pulley to get 15lbs, full headers and race exhaust. Then you are talking another 100hp easy.
It might be faster than the Gallardo SL and the new Scuderia but at the end of the day like all vettes its a huge pile of plastic parked next to any ferrari or lambo. The Scuderia is a work of art compared with that. All I see is a Z06 with a body kit and a Supercharger its not even worth the 100k, what do you think that vette will be worth in 10years from now?..... GM's guys have to be on drugs called "High Hope" to be asking 100grand a pop for that vette.Unless your a corvette freak I just don't see the point on paying such a high price on it yeah the performance has changed and the appreance(Not by much) but the interior kills it for me from what the photos are showing me. Id rather take that money and either go build a FFR GTM or an Ultima GTR that not only will be much cheaper but faster depending on how you build it. Not to mention more fun building something you take to the track each weekend. My $0.2
As long as we are engaged in a marathon, you might want to ask yourself what car has the suspension, brakes, and speed, the proposed ZR-1 has for anywhere near $300,000? Review its development history, you might find it interesting. The ZR-1, actually has a "heritage" evolving from the C6R race car. The 599 and ZR-1 will share the same suspension, and it comes standard with Ceramic Brakes. For $100,000 or so, it is difficult to fault. I guess they could spend another $25,000 per car and put the Ferrari to shame, but what fun would that be? Best
Here's a question for you (playing devil's advocate): What's a 2002 Ferrari 360 Spider worth now that someone paid $250K for (or more in some cases) 5 years ago that has 20K miles on it? I bet that ZR-1 will have depreciated less than that, even if you put 60K miles on it. How much will the Ultima be worth then? I am not saying I do not see the gist of what point you are trying to make, but you have to admit the Corvette is a huge bang for the buck car compared to a Ferrari. It does not have many of the intangibles that a modern Ferrari has, but you do not pay $200-300K for it either. I think it's highly biased to say it's junk because it wears a GM badge. I guess those Glass 308's are just piles of plastic junk too?
Nerd, you say 55 year old engine tech, but there's two things to consider about that: #1: It's been extensively updated over the years, so it's not really 55 year old tech. No engine I have know of has had so many iterations and updates done to it to keep it competitive. That said, it does share the same bore spacing as the old 265 V-8 from 55, so I guess it's the same engine, regardless of whether any parts from that motor to to the LS9 don't interchange. #2: The advantage of using this "55 year old design"? Ask a 355 owner who has had to replace valve guides about that. Don't get me wrong. I love Ferrari and I do not compare a Vette to one assuming that they are peers. That said, it's snobby and idiotic to write off the Vette because it does not wear the correct badge, just as it's idiotic to assume that any car that has the Ramparte is a treasure. It's not that black and white. The Ferrari should be a hellava lot more car in terms of the details and subtle advantages, since it's likely not to be able to put up the numbers the ZR-1 will, and that will give the Vette lovers plenty of ammo that the uninformed public will likely look at and think anyone who pays $300K for a Scud is a dumbass with manhood issues to resolve. I certainly do not agree, but I also think the ZR-1 is a pretty exceptional value for the money it costs vs. the numbers it will put down, just like that Recycled GI beercan GT-R I am sure some snobs here will also detest.
Even if you would assume that the ZR-1 is indeed a Scud killer and of a similar level of design (which certainly isn't my opinion), then this whole discussion is still like comparing Michaelangelo's David to Botticelli's Venus. Onno
To be clear: 1. My opinions should be meaningless to all others as I like to pontificate and occasionally stir the pot to catalyze vigorous debate.....job done I see. 2. All other opinions are meaningless to me. The cars I buy, sell, drive, show, race, and generally enjoy are decisions where I have no need to consider the opinions or interest of others.....so I don't. 3. I have owned and will continue to buy/sell/own cars of nearly every European and North American (cars older than 40 years and modern trucks for towing) brand. The new ZR-1 at $100K price point will most assuredly never be in my garage.
Moving this where it belongs. There ain't a whole lot of Ferrari content here. Frankly, there ain't a whole lot of any kind of content here. DM
Thats just a base model 360 how much do you think the Stradaile challenge cars are worth today? Thats like the special model Ferrari very much like the Z06 of the 360 series so it has to be worth more than the base. I know for a fact an Ultima won't be worth anything even after you invest money into it but thats just a kitcar so it wont gain any value at all and thats something which is very common in the world of kits. That vette doesn't doesn't sell me one bit for the 100k asking price it commands cause all you basicly get is a Z06 with a bodykit and a Factory instailed supercharger, not to sound ignorant or anything but thats all see with this, the interior hasn't changed at all according to the picks they showed other than the ZR1 stiching. Its definately not GM junk iv'e always been a fan of vettes since the days of the L98's but again why would I want to pay this kind of money for a vette?. what happend to the Bang for the buck days? where you paid alittle more than a base Camaro for a vette and you had a car that could run with the big boys?. to me 100k for just a corvette with a Supercharger doesn't sound like such a great Bang for the buck deal, I could easly go pick up a base C6 and take it to Lingefeilter and go get a Turbo vette for about the same.That new Nissan GTR will be more exclusive than this and it only cost roughly 70k, not to mention how many other old school exotics id rather own that will be much less than 100k. There so much id rather buy than buy just a Vette, that new ACR looks like its got more to offer for 92k.
Better yet, a Race Car Replicas' Lola T70 or a true tube by tube Porsche 917 and they can be made street legal.
??? Micro-management ??? It's the only thread in the 360/F430 forum getting any attention I hope you're feeling almighty now ... you showed us who's boss G
I think one of those replicas would break the bank if you had the bouget for the new Zr1 to spend on a car. Those 917 replicas are nasty if they are built right you could headsup with an Ultima at the track.
Nice car, great price, great performance, and a racing heritage of its own. (prob. best in blue or yellow!)
+2. I like the lines on the C6. I think you guys are going to be crying like a 4 year old when that car dusts your F-car that you just paid $250-700k for. And the best thing about Vettes is that they don't have to come in for $15K overhauls every 30K.
what about the 20k for the carbon ceramic brakes, and the 20k for all the carbon fiber, and the supercharger and the larger wheels and tires,etc.
who can forget about the leaf springs. You can't forget about that. Iam not knocking on this car but like with any vettes that I like everytime any real time exotic parks next to one even the newest best vette yet I can't help but think man that looks like a pile of plastic parked next to that lambo or ferrari regardless of how fast it goes. But hey its all good this has been the only vette that has caught my attention since the last ZR1 released back in the early 90's. It looks really good. The Supercharger and interior is what kills it for me but other than that its gonna be another great vette for the history books and with the way the world is going it might very well be the last great vette built. But I guess if performance is your thing then style and qaultily doesn't matter as long as its faster than your neigbors ferrari
Right now I'm too lazy to read all 250 posts... Bottom line is any Joe Blow w/ mechanical skills can create a car/hot rod that could blow the doors off any 430/360/LP6 ish....whatever in the 1/4 mile...0-60...60-0...blah.... blah.... blah.... TPI (The Point Is), what do you want a car to do? Power, grace, style, dependability for long weekends w/ your wife? 12 miles round trip to the "hot club" w/ the latest flash in the pan starlet? Something to park in the driveway to make the nieghbors think you're rich? Sometghing you simply own because you can? Something you own because you worked your ass off in order to achieve your dreams? A life long dream realised after may years of hard work? Cars attract many walks of life...posers, wanabees, profilers, bigtimers, materialists......the only ones I truly respect are those who love cars for what they are. iF you can't figure that out, you are not in my club. Best wishes
Mine either since it's not my cup of tea, but I can still appreciate what it is. I personally think there are many cars I would never want to own at any price, but I can see the reason some people crave them. I happen to be a huge NSX fan, but others don't see the point.
I like the carbon ceramic brake discs, and the aluminum/carbon fiber/balsa wood chassis. Sounds cool, and like business. But how much does it cost for Carbon Brake pads?? I hate the styling of the corvettes though.... But with the performance it offer's who cares.
