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NEW V8 MID ENGINED MODEL (BIG BROTHER)

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by ajr550, Feb 28, 2019.

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  1. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    F8 will be replaced by LB .V6 TT hybrid.

    BB twice the cost ...new platform.
     
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  2. LVP488

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    The F8 is already the poor man's Pista ;) but the BB is on a totally different market ; worst case the Pista will become the poor man's BB but there is no such threat for the F8.
     
  3. noone1

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    This would be pretty hilarious given how many people were screaming about how Ferrari wouldn't go CF or doesn't need to go CF yada yada :rolleyes:
     
  4. dcmetro

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    I don't agree. The 488 never was the poor man's Speciale nor was the 458 the poor man's Scud.
     
  5. tekaefixe

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    wrong because the 458 was much faster than the scuderia, and the 488 much faster than the speciale but the F8 is slower than a Pista....
     
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  6. dcmetro

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    Doesn't matter. You can't compare a hardcore version to the next model.

    ANd "Faster" doesn't mean much, many people will prefer a Speciale over a 488, sharper chassis, NA engine.

    You compare apple with oranges.The F8 is not and will never be a pista's poor man
     
  7. ferrarifanatic25

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    If this is true that’s literally pathetic.... I thought California’s law was already a joke at 95 db. Looks like I need to find a new hobby and a new motivating factor in my life because if all super cars are less than 64 dB in the future I have literally no desire whatsoever to buy one.

    Gotta love how these people take up these ridiculous viewpoints just ruin the fun for those of us who work hard and are successful. I’m sorry you can’t find joy in your life and the only thing you can do with yourself is vote for laws that make you “feel good about yourself.” What a freaking joke this world is becoming....


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  8. ttforcefed

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    just by older ones - plenty of options to choose from between 1980 and 2019
     
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  9. tekaefixe

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    Man... we are just now realizing the huge diferences the auto industry and users will know very damn soon. Guys buy your NA spiders while you can ahah

    I honestly dont know if someone will throw some rocks at me in 10 years when every car is electric and I go for a spirited sunday drive....
     
  10. ferrarifanatic25

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    These are sad times.... I wish I was born 20 years earlier


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  11. F140C

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    ^ This. The BB will probably steal the spotlight will all the new technical innovations (possibly e-turbo and new DCT transmission, new interior and HUD etc.), but it will be a 600k, semi-hypercar. Since not everyone wants or can afford that, the F8 will still be relevant and won't be forgotten in my opinion.

    So it's not the max overall limit, correct?
     
  12. paulchua

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    #1037 paulchua, Apr 25, 2019
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    Comments I've seen never said Ferrari would never go to carbon fiber ever. If someone were to say (fill in any electronic TV manufacturer) doesn't need to go 8K today, don't interpret that as them saying they won't in perpetuity yada yada :rolleyes:
     
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  13. noone1

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    Plenty of 1999 360s for sale, nothing stopping ya ;)
     
  14. Vertix

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    TBH I never get why everyones going so crazy over this.

    The "carbon fiber" you're seeing in Mclarens and especially lambos etc is not the carbon you get in race cars/f1. Its quite the opposite.

    Lambos prepreg resin carbon is a joke. Not that strong, not that light, adds stupid amounts of NVH and horridly expensive to repair/replace incase of an accident. It's almost as if you get all the downsides(and cost) and none of the upsides of CF.

    Look at the kerb weight of the 720s (full carbon) and the pista (only select carbon panels): http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel6633-7218.htm
    720s 1526kg / Pista 1460kg. 720s has less flex etc, but all the other benefits of carbon fiber are completely negated with their current resin tech. Their new weaves with the speedtail are a solid step forward, whilst lambo keeps trying to make it cheaper with more cost cutting methods (like forged carbon).

    Or you get things like BMWs CFRP, carbon fiber reinforced plastic. Its more marketing for people that have no idea that think its all legit carbon and pay stupid amounts of money for it.

    Even worse is the new lambo SVJ. "carbon" everything, no door handles, doesnt even have a holder for the engine bay, yet has a kerb weight of 1856kg and the NVH from the chassis is aweful. Seems pretty silly to me.

    There were articles back in 2011-2014 from Ferrari, stating that the current resin based technology needs to develop further before they see it as a better replacement to aluminium. They predicted it would be about 2020 until the tech gets to the level they are happy with and we're seeing signs of this now with their materials matrix and new carbon/aluminium modular chassis.

    An older but good article about some of these points can be found here, particularly around how the focus is on bonding materials to get away from welds, much like the aero/space industry: https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a7234/is-aluminum-not-carbon-fiber-the-car-material-of-the-future-ferrari-says-yes/

    Needs more focus on the end result (weight/strength/flex etc) instead of just focusing on whether or not its 1 material or the other.
     
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  15. tekaefixe

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    Dont worry about Mclaren, with the new CF factory not only the quality will go up but the prices down.
     
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    #1041 day355, Apr 27, 2019
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  17. day355

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    For mes, yes, without soul...it s a fantastic and beautiful machine, but the V8 TT is too artificial in it s own conception...Moreover, the noise, not the sound is awful...
     
  18. F140C

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    Carbon or not, Ferrari is clearly aware of the extra weight:

    "Hybridization will impact the weight of engines and therefore we will deploy new lightweight technologies to compensate this impact. Package efficiency will also be key to achieve a compact car that reduces weight and inertia"


    Wait and see what happens before giving yourselves unnecessary headaches.
     
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  19. ingegnere

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    Good summary off the issue.

    It's funny how some people somehow believe that McLaren are the only ones with the "secret" recipe to make CF chassis and the others are nor doing it because they can't rather than they choose not to for tradeoffs that have to be made and listed by you.

    Specifically about the 720S and its high rigidity, I would propose that a large portion of that comes from having door sills that are higher than the seating surface - like climbing into a bathtub. Is that a desired layout for the target buyer, i.e., not necessarily young millionaires?

    Also noticeable on this pic is the SMC version of CF (in the door jams) that not only looks worse (if that's possible) than forged CF but proves that Mac go out of their way to use CF as a marketing gimmick. The exposed surfaces around the doors would look much better if they were just painted rather than have these add-on bits attached that just add weight.
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  20. REALZEUS

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    Beg to differ.
     
  21. tekaefixe

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    This is so stupid, they force real cars bellow the 68bd threshold and the electric ones can’t be silent and must produce noise....
    Way to go dumbasses!
     
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  22. F2003-GA

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    The EV's need noise to make pedestrians aware of their presence It's a safety thing and very necessary
     
  23. Albert-LP

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    maybe it has been already written somewhere here many times, but it's official: The hybrid V8 new mid engine model will replace the 812. Finally: Ferrari couldn't go on with a front engine flagship

    ciao
     
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  24. F2003-GA

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    Really then how come there's a 812 Spider coming :confused:
     
  25. Albert-LP

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    official from Flavio Manzoni, Ferrari design boss.

    ciao
     

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