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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by ajr550, Feb 28, 2019.
Agreed. The BB is so much more than a hybrid Pista.
We will all know for sure in just a few days...
If it sounds similar to the P80/ C then it’s a winner I appreciate that it’s a track only car so regulations don’t apply but they managed to extract extra soul from that award winning TTV8
What else were you expecting? This is not meant to be the new Hypercar. It's meant to be a profitable top of the range model. The more new stuff you add, the more you take away from profits.
Ferrari are the masters of powertrain, I doubt anyone will complain about how the power is produced+delivered. Remember that LaFerrari had an "electrified" F12 engine, yet no one was disappointed by it. I am quite looking forward to the "electrification" part. Let's see where and how the geniuses (no sarcasm) at Ferrari incorporate the electric power with a turbo engine as opposed to the NA V12 in LaFerrari. Especially since, McLaren tried and failed at eliminating turbo lag from the P1 using electric power (based on what multiple reviewers have said, no personal experience).
Having said that, to me the single most important thing about this car will be the design. Even though I like Manzoni and his design philosophy, his final products have been a mixed bag imho.
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The P80/C is based on the 488 GT3 and that probably means it's powered by the race-spec V8 (without restrictors)
Lots of turbo flutter/chirping noises (which can be heard in the P80 video at 2:53).
You are being kind.
I think he and his team did an excellent job on most models they worked on, considering the requirements dictated by the engineering departments. 488 Pista, SP1/SP2 Monza, LaF and FXX-K are absolute masterpieces in my opinion. On the other hand, I can understand if some aren't fans of the aggressive lines of the 812 Superfast, but I like them and its design has grown on me a lot since the day It was unveiled. I still have to decide if I like the F8 or not, guess I have to wait until I see one in the flesh.
In any case, I think all these awards speak highly of his creations and CS-leading career at Ferrari:
• Monza: iF Gold Design Award (2019)
• SP38: Design Award for Concept Cars & Prototypes - Concorso d’Eleganza Villa d’Este 2018
• Ferrari Portofino: Red Dot Best of the Best Award (2018)
• 812 Superfast: Red Dot Design Award (2018)
• FXX K EVO: Red Dot Design Award (2018)
• J50: iF Gold Design Award (2018)
• LaFerrari Aperta: iF Design Award (2018)
• 812 Superfast: Chicago Good Design Award (2017)
J50: Red Dot Best of the Best (2017); Chicago Good Design Award (2017)
• LaFerrari Aperta: Honourable Mention - Sport, Performance and Innovation, International Compasso d’Oro Award (2017); Red Dot Design Award (2017)
• GTC4Lusso: iF Gold Design Award (2017); Red Dot Design Award (2017); Most Beautiful Supercar of the Year
- International Automobile Festival Paris (2017); Chicago Good Design Award (2017)
• 458 MM Speciale: iF Design Award (2017); Red Dot Design Award (2017)
• 488 GTB: Red Dot Best of the Best (2016); iF Design Award (2016)
• 488 Spider: iF Design Award (2016); Autonis Design Award (Auto Motor und Sport, D) - Beste Design - Neuheit: Cabrios (2016); Chicago Good Design Award (2016)
• F12tdf: Chicago Good Design Award (2016)
• FXX K: Red Dot Best of the Best (2015), iF Gold Award (2016); Compasso d’Oro ADI (2016)
I seriously hope it looks similar to P80/C - Stunning !!
I think we are all hopeful about this new model, with plenty of excitement in reserve. But if our hopes are dashed, it is going to be quite a blemish on the brand and our view for the future.
I know what you mean, but LaFerrari's engine was vastly different to the F12's. The LaFerrari has mechanical tappets and the intake tract is totally different. The LaFerrari revs to 9300 RPM, some 800 RPM higher than the F12 and it produces 60 more horses. Same architecture? Sure! But that architecture stems from the Enzo, back in 2002.
BOY SHE IS FLYING !
I show LaF's F140FE engine having 58 more hp and 7 lb-ft of torque than the F12's F140FC. Max RPM (red line) is 550 rpm greater (9250 vs. 8700). They share identical pistons, crank and piston skirts. Identical displacement. The intakes which you point out are the main difference and that includes the lifters and cams. The LaF has infinitely variable stacks which exceeds even the F12 TdFs which are only two position. The F12 splits the difference via the tuned extended chambers and hydraulic lifters which I prefer in a road car all things considered.
The Laf infinitely variable stacks tells the world of their engineering brilliance. Wonder if the have this on the new BB
Varying the runner length to match ideal flow based on rpm and head port design/volume was around for a while and banned in F1 around 2006/7. For a small engine turbo, the forced induction probably substitutes this function with variable pitch vanes or other ECM boost control.
It's not an "electrified Pista".
Mc Laren has just one engine lineup (V8): Ferrari has two (V8 and V12) and will be three in a near future (V6 V8 and V12).
What do you expect from a small car firm like that?
F12 Tdf is an F12, 812S is an F12 restyling: this new hybrid car is almost completely new. What do you want more, a solid state propelled rocket?
Fore and aft phasers and photon torpedoes.
Dealers have seen the car. No feedback yet??
Wasn't the Enzo the first Ferrari (and probably the first road car) to feature the infinitely variable stacks?
It should be funny if their torque vectoring system prove to be more refined compared to the Amg One !
A car four times more expensive ..
What a revenge with the formula one Mercedes domination.
You actually make my point that the engineers took the Enzo/599/F12 engine and tuned it to work with electric power with a great result. In the same way, I am very excited to see what the engineers do with the Pista engine and how they tune it. Very curious on how much of the already small turbo lag they will eliminate further and all the other tricks they have come up with. IMHO limiting torque to create a NA feel was really a masterstroke by the engineers, who truly are the unsung heroes of Ferrari. The styling might or might not work always but since the late 90s there has not been one Ferrari where the engineering has fallen short.
And of course, they may be able to do away with the torque management altogether with the arrival of hybrid - massive and low electric torque plus the full torque/power of the turbo engine.
With what they know from F1 this could be another masterpiece of a power train. An electric Pista? I doubt that description will adequately cover it.
They can't do an hybrid 488. Probably there isn't even space for the batteries.