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NEW V8 MID ENGINED MODEL (BIG BROTHER)

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  1. arhimede

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    Sadly, the bike guy delete it!
     
  2. REALZEUS

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    Not quite, but the BB might indeed be quicker.
     
  3. of2worlds

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  4. F140C

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    "What's more, FerrariChat forum members speculate that the car may be called "BB," an abbreviation of Berlinetta Boxer and not "baby" as seen in countless misguided Tinder messages."

    Wonder where they read that?
     
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  5. tekaefixe

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    Stupidity knows no bounds, BB mean Big Boobs you idiots, Ferrari Biggi Boobbaloni.
     
  6. Elisesko

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    Has there been any discussion about which car (BB or LB) will be the platform from which the next Challenge and GT3 cars are going to be based on? At 600k and 1000hp, maybe there will be less bumper cars in the series. Saw some real miracles get worked getting cars ready to race after practice or qualifying contact. Add hybrid repairs and fire risk to the mix, could be some tall orders.
     
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  7. Solid State

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    There it is! If your following along that's the enthusiast pitch about rarity and buy one quick before being sold out. Phase III is the likely upside discussion to confirm first deliveries. All without a word from Ferrari. Great product and great brand. Its a wonder to watch what the competition could never achieve.
     
  8. F140C

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    Imho, the current 488 GT (3/E/D/Challenge) models will keep racing until the V6 LB is unveiled, while the BB might be the base of a hypercar/prototype for the '21/'22 WEC series (pure speculation). Speaking of the hybrid element in their powertrains, I don't think it will be a problem for endurance racing.
     
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  9. Doug23

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    and the Portofino coupé engine?
     
  10. Eilig

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    Ferrari have recently increased cost of LaF KERS Battery.... Price of a replacement is now 153k Euro (171 USD)... . with labor comes to circa $200k. Have battery technologies advanced so much that the LaF KERS Battery is now obsolete, and the BB battery will be that much less expensive?
     
  11. Elisesko

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    I think that makes sense. Ford and Acura went with the 6 cylinder as well. Bop wouldn't be kind to the specs BB appears to have I wouldn't think. And yes, I don't think hybrid systems will impact the endurance guys near as much as the Challenge series which is who I primarily was considering.
     
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  12. stavura

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    LOL!
     
  13. j09333

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    Cars are developed 3years ahead mostly.
    So the battery we are seeing today in a car is 3 years old tech.


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  14. noone1

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    Yes and no. The LF system no doubt has a juicy halo-car premium built in to the price, but it also likely wasn't designed for anything but the very limited LF application. Times have changed and the LF hybrid setup is no longer sufficient for what the market wants and what regulation demands. Super short range electric augmentation has no place in the near future and zero place at all in the more distant one. IIRC, the LF more or less couldn't even operate on pure electric power and wasn't designed for it. That likely isn't the case anymore and so I'm guessing the entire system is different. I'll be shocked if the BB doesn't have something like 20-30 miles of pure electric range for city driving.

    Also, there is no way the system in the BB is going to be tailored solely for the BB like it was for the LF. They don't create bespoke engines for every model and they aren't going to create bespoke electric systems either. It would make very little financial sense. The electric potion of the BB will likely be very similar to the electric portion in all future cars, from Portofino up through 812, or whatever those replacements are called.

    So yes, the new system is likely much different and much cheaper. They aren't going put a $200K electric system in a $200K Portofino. If you want to guess the cost, look at the Acura NSX. The NSX is a hybrid supercar with modest BEV power and the entire car cost less than $200K. There's no reason to assume Ferrari's cost is vastly higher than anyone else in the segment.
     
  15. Senna1994

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    Excellent post as always!!!!


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  16. Lukeylikey

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    I think something else that probably confirms this is that the point of Ferrari using hybrid is to get a lower CO2 rating on the WLTP test. Therefore the hybrid needs to be of the plug-in type (I.e. runs for 20 miles on electric only) to meaningfully achieve this. Otherwise, the electric system is only there to augment the way the car drives, which is quite un-Ferrari because you add lots of weight to get a little bit of power. This is fine in the LaF because it is a full carbon tub and the weight is not so high even with the battery. But I still suspect there are some that prefer the ‘slower’ Enzo to the faster but more complex LaF. Would Ferrari be using electricity even if the emissions regs were less stringent? Maybe, but I’m not sure they would be.
     
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  17. montpellier

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    Uk only allowing single invites, no partners (maybe some exceptions but not from 3 dealers I know). Fatal error IMHO and a bit cynical, and bound to cause some discussion. USA , know a few who are with partners , so hard to say if all invites will translate into individual sales potential, possibly country dependent.
     
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  18. Albert-LP

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    reading of the weight that some sources are talking about (very low), I'm wondering if the electric front axle will be on this car: maybe my sources saw it but it will be on later models, who knows. In any case impossible to weigth less than the F8, even if just RWD. In the video with the bike the car went away the Yamaha Tracer 900 (11.5 s in the quarter mile) very easily and with no movement on that bad surface road: if it's just RWD, it has a great TC-ESP and grip!

    ciao
     
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  19. daflk

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    Did anyone else notice that in the video when the mule accelerated away it was quiet, such that we know the ICE wasn’t even on?? Looks like it’s capable of insane acceleration without the ICE engine, which means, as speculated here, the BB is able to run on electricity alone.


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  20. jpalmito

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    Ferr9000 on a Spanish forum ( forocoches.com) said the BB front axle will be electrified so we can assume there will be two electrics motors on front axle .
     
  21. Albert-LP

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    Thank you very much: let's see if we both were right.

    Ciao
     
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  22. ppg70

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    also in my case (FR) the invitation is only for one person.....I asked to bring one partner but no way
    but the good news is hotel is included:D
     
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  23. Albert-LP

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    You are lucky: so you need a partner that is suited for the hotel room only… ;)

    ciao
     
  24. Albert-LP

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    In my opinion it was accelerating with 4wd. (for what I know) the car car run also in electric mode.
     
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  25. ppg70

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    circa 700 people each day
    F wants to sell much more than 1.000 cars in these 3 days since the budget is more than double
    they want to sell ALL :)
     
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