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  1. djui5

    djui5 F1 Veteran

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    Anyone know anything about video cards? I installed one yesterday (AGP) and now I have these little shadows under everything. I have a Dell Dimension 8200 and installed a 256MB PNY GeForce 6200. All I wanted to do was play Tiger Woods 08 and it's been a f'n nightmare. Had to replace my DVD rom too, and couldn't find just a damn reader, they're all burners these days.
     
  2. luke9583

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    Do a google search for the latest driver for your new gpu. deffinately sounds like a driver issue.
     
  3. Schatten

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    Get the reference driver from www.nvidia.com

    Reference driver = the latest and greatest from the manufacturer, which OEMs and vendors such as PNY use for basing their feature set.
     
  4. djui5

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    #4 djui5, Jun 1, 2008
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    No dice, thanks though! Here is a picture of the problem. I enhanced part of the lines to show where they are. Everything has a 3x shadow fading to the right :) It's kinda weird.

    I read somewhere that it is a power supply problem? What do you think? I didn't really wanna replace the power supply. All I wanted to do was play a f'n game, and now...ugggh.
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  5. luke9583

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    AGP what did you put in? a 7600 gs?
     
  6. djui5

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    A PNY GeForce 6200

    I am really starting to think it's the power supply. I have a 250 and it calls for a 300 watt. Just hoped I could find another answer before changing it out :)
     
  7. taber

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    He said it was a PNY 6200 256mb.

    If I can play Tiger Woods 2007 on my 4200 128mb (on lower settings) I'm sure you can play it on a 6200.
    That is weird, did you make sure you are your monitor's native resolution?
    Is the refresh rate out of range?
     
  8. Etcetera

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    Remove and re-seat the monitor cable on both ends.

    Not likely to be the power supply at all; if it was the PC would crash. Besides, the 6200 doesn't pull that many amps.
     
  9. Schatten

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    Simple suggestion - try plugging the monitor directly into the wall without a power strip.
     
  10. ferraridude615

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    A 250W PS is pretty small, it might be struggling under load with a video card.
     
  11. dhuang

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    Hmm...

    I power a 8800GT with my overclocked CPU on a 250w PSU. Then again, I have a high quality PSU.

    Can you get the label info from the PSU, such as:

    Manufacturer:
    Model:
    Amperage on the +12v:
     
  12. atomstrange

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    my guess is the dell power supply. One of the rails is probably failling. It probably only has one.
     
  13. atomstrange

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    #13 atomstrange, Jun 2, 2008
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    I would be concerned that is damaging something. I seem to remember the 8800gt pulls near 140 watts on its own. Add an oc proc to that and your cutting things too close.
    It may not matter if that psu is antec, thermal or ultra at that low of a wattage.
     
  14. Fast_ian

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    +1

    Preferably, on a different circuit if possible.... Possibly another of the dreaded "ground loops"...... It may not be of course, but its easy to try.

    Good luck,
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  15. dhuang

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    Yeah, I got concerned as well. Anandtech did a review of my setup with a Quadcore instead of the C2D that I currently have.

    http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=3177

    According to the article, the quad and the 88GT didn't pull over 215w, so that leaves some room for play. However, over time, the PSU will eventually be less powerful as wear and tear happens. Then I may be in trouble! :p

    To the OP, if you can, try a different AGP card and see if you can reproduce the problem.
     
  16. djui5

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    Well this blows. I tried plugging the monitor into the wall (it was plugged into an extension cord, not a power strip) and no dice. I also reseated the video card and the monitor cable (the end into the monitor can't be reseated) and no dice. I bought an Antec 350w power supply and still the same f'n problem. The computer is quieter now though, so I'll probably keep the new power supply, plus the video card requires a 300w anyway. The f'n cables are too short though, so I need some extenders I guess. Does this **** ever end? I shoulda just bought a new tower and been done with it.

    So, still the same problem. Maybe the video card is bad? I noticed that if I set the refresh rate to 60hz it seems to go away for the most part. I have it set to 100hz now. I know the monitor can handle this because it was set to 100hz with the old GeForce MX420 video card. Same resolution as before too. Changing the resolution does nothing for the problem at all.

    I'll be beating my head against the keyboard hoping one of you has a good idea :)
     
  17. taber

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    How much better is it when you set the refresh to 60hz ?
    What kind of monitor do you have?
     
  18. js430

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    Try a different video card.
    Call the video card tech support folks?
    Google your problem and search on some computer-specific forums for info?
     
  19. luke9583

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    Does that card even require a separate molex from the PSU? If not, you're only going to pull about 50watts out of an APG slot anyway IIRC.

    If it were a power issue, you'd be having the screen go blank under load and most likely get an error for display error.
     
  20. Schatten

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    I would suggest a swap in the cards at this point.

    You cannot live with 60hz, you'll get a headache. 100hz is not necessary. Most people are fine with 70-72hz and cannot tell a difference. 75-85hz is fine too. My eyes are too sensitive that even 72-75hz is a noticeable difference.
     
  21. djui5

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    The lines seem to go away though I think there is still one line.
    Here is the monitor (note 75hz). Even at 75hz it's still there:
    http://reviews.cnet.com/crt-monitors/dell-m991-display-crt/1995-3175_7-31218545.html

    I just called but got an answering machine. I wish they'd let you just e-mail them.

    Tried that but didn't find anything.


    No :)

    I'm starting to think it might be the card. I can't have the screen set at 75hz either, it hurts my eyes as I can see the flicker. I had it set to 100hz before and everything was fine.

    Thanks all for your help.
     
  22. luke9583

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    Most gaming screens are ONLY 60hz. Vsync links the gpu output at 60hz to match. I have never had any trouble with 60hz.
     
  23. Schatten

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    I think you are referring to TV screens or video game screens in arcades (if everyone still remembers what that is), where it is essentially a TV screen which projects at 59hz progressive scan. That translates to half! Video game cards are far greater in refresh rate. However, if it is an LCD or notebook, you won't be able to tell the difference.
     
  24. djui5

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    Right, LCD's usually run around 60hz. I have a CRT. The big clunky ones, remember those? It's not even a flat screened one either :)

    I talked to PNY today and he said he thinks it's my monitor. He said that even at 60hz I shouldn't notice any flickering. Hell, at 60hz it looks like a super fast strobe light. So before returning the video card I'm gonna try to find another monitor, if it's not the monitor I'll exchange the video card. Everything is set up properly. He said usually "ghosting" as it's called is from the video card being underpowered.

    I don't know, it worked fine before I put in this new video card. Why would a new video card suddenly show flaws in the monitor? I never had this problem before.
     
  25. Schatten

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    Ghosting is usually the driver/card itself. If it were the monitor, least likely a cause but I wouldn't rule it out. Monitors going wonkey (technical term) usually has squiggly lines here and there. Text will be jittery in most, if not all resolutions.
     

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