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Newbie First Post 911 vs Mondial

Discussion in 'Mondial' started by Yorkie, Dec 5, 2009.

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  1. Yorkie

    Yorkie Rookie

    Nov 25, 2009
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    I'm new to the forum so go easy on me guys. My current weekend driver is an old 911SC which I adore for the usual reasons (driver feedback, build quality, reliability, PCA DE days,etc) but I've a couple of small kids and its getting cramped back there on the way to their soccer games. I keep looking at the Mondial as it seems like such a great deal but I've heard so many horror stories about maintenance costs I'm worried about taking the leap. And as strange as this might sound, I'm thinking about a Coupe even though I live in Southern California where Craig's List always has a bunch of sub $25K Mondial convertibles for sale/

    My question to the forum is will I be disappointed if I sell the 911SC and buy a Mondial? I'm thinking that this group are gearheads and as such will have experience with the 911s.
    Thanks,
    Kevin
    Long Beach
     
  2. FF8929

    FF8929 Formula Junior

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    I would say, yes, you'll be disappointed.
     
  3. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #3 Bullfighter, Dec 5, 2009
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2009
    We'll take it easy on you.

    A Mondial may be a $25K car in well-used condition, but the tab for servicing is likely to run $4000-$6000 every few years for maintenance, with repairs additional.

    If you want a bigger back seat, get a BMW M5 or similar.

    If you want a cool hobby, budget $10K (reserve fund) over the price of the Mondial and go for it. But be careful with eBay, Craig's List, etc. There's nothing worse than some used Ferrari being sold on the cheap. Make sure the car has a good service history, and that you have a pre-purchase inspection done locally. There really is no such thing as a cheap Ferrari, in the long run.
     
  4. MBFerrari

    MBFerrari F1 Veteran

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    Have to agree with Bullfighter (shocker - kidding). If you want more back seat room look to an M5 or even an M3. I drive an E36M3/4 for my daily driver and my kids baby seat fits with all of her stuff.

    A mondial is going to cost so much to fix that unless you really want a Ferrari, than I say look elsewhere.

    We are pretty much a straight shooting bunch around here, so keep asking if you have any other questions.

    Regards,
    MB
     
  5. Michael B

    Michael B F1 Rookie
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    Apr 28, 2004
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    I luv the 911 S/C. Had one for 9 years and m a n y miles. Great machine.

    With that said, I put three transmissions in it, several clutches, rebuilt the engine because of tensioner failure, redid the interior leather & replaced the warped dash, repainted it, added options, replaced brake pads, fixed the sunroof and kept up on continued maintenance.

    And I luved it.

    Take it from an actual Mondial owner: Owning and caring for a Mondial is very much like any other semi-exotic or better. I can say my personal Mondi has been super by all measures. Less catastrophic failures than the S/C but perhaps more detailed maintenance. And the rear seats do accommodate the kids better. And... Its a Ferrari. So the cool factor is always good.

    And hey, contrary to popular belief not every Mondi will beat you with repairs. I can say that the majority of Mondials I know are used continuously throughout the year without much more than a 15k service when due.

    Kinda just like a 911 S/C.

    They are both great to own & experience, both drive neat, look neat, sound neat. Both are at the bottom of their depreciation curve and both can serve you well with the family.

    Like a 911 you will want to buy a good Mondi... But if you have any mechanical know-how at all you will be able to tell the good ones from the not so good.

    Go take a look at one and see what you think. Experence one and then tell us about it.
     
  6. Scaledetails

    Scaledetails F1 Rookie

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    911 = mass produced same design for decades, everybody has or had one.
    Mondial = rare, and it's a Ferrari. Enough said.
     
  7. sjmst

    sjmst F1 Veteran
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    This is all correct.
     
  8. PV Dirk

    PV Dirk F1 Veteran

    Jul 26, 2009
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    If the Mondi does break it can be down for a while as well. I had an axle boot tear. Pulled the axles, had them torn down and cleaned and found a CV with pitting so had to order the parts to replace. Discovered the bolts holding axles in are rounded, special bolts had to be ordered. Throw in the holiday and I was shocked to realize my car has been down over a month at this point. I thought I'd get it done in a weekend. Now I have to get out and finish tightning the axles so I can go for a spin this afternoon. My choice came down to usage. I had an old ford hot rod for fun use. I fired it up twice a month, took it for a big grin on the face spin and put it away. I spent more time tinkering, cleaning, maintaining than I did driving it. I relized for my ongoing use of a fun car I could have a Ferrari. I drive the Ferrari more than the old Ford, it's a lot of fun. By the way I'm still wanting a 911 cabriolet, and I'll wait until I can have it too. Not either or. Of course I don't have the children yet.
     
  9. GrayTA

    GrayTA F1 World Champ
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    My comments would include exactly what was said above. Particularly the comments about the P being mass produced and the Ferrari being a Ferrari.

    The other part of the equation is that IF you can meet and live with what was outlined above (having cash reserves, etc...) then if you haven't always wanted a Ferrari it also may not be for you. I guess there are certain expectations from certain cars and if you arent expecting them or prepared you will find yourself in for a rude awakening.

    As for me I have driven P cars and a few Ferraris and for me there is NO comparison. I LOVE my F car and it has lived up to and exceeded every expectation I could have had. I walk into my garage daily and just look at it and tell my wife, "Hey, there is a Ferrari in our garage."

    If I can paraphrase - Ferrari, there is no substitute.


    PDGA
     
  10. buzzm2005

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    FWIW, my kids are early teens now and have outgrown the back seats of my Mondi t cab for anything more than a 30-40 drive somewhere. Now my wife gets to sit in the back.
     
  11. ckracing

    ckracing Formula Junior

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    I have had 9 Porsches and 2 Ferraris I had a Mondial 8. The only problem I had was the fuse block. You can get a redesigned one for about $1000.00 if needed. I would go for the Mondial, try to get a 3.2.

    Good Luck with your search
     
  12. Birdman

    Birdman F1 Veteran

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    Mondials are cool. Go see one in person and drive it. I bet you buy it!
     
  13. jgoodman

    jgoodman F1 Rookie
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    My wife and I both enjoy driving our Mondial 3.2 cab so much. And I totally agree that the kids can only handle a short ride in the back seat, even though there's enough space for all three of my little kids. But the comments about cost of ownership are correct. The car is at 25K miles and is about to go in for a $5K 30,000 mile major this week. And my starter just went. The new bosch starter alone was another $500. But it doesn't matter. I'm totally in love with the Mondial. I cannot wait to get it back and rev that wonderful engine!
     
  14. jeffQV

    jeffQV F1 Rookie

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    Apart from the usual Porker/Ferrari thing had a long drive in a mondial first. If you still like it go further. I've had my QV nearly 10 years now, yes it costs but the smiles are priceless! Agree with above, a properly sorted 3.2 is probably the best of the bunch.
     

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