Next 599 'to have 700bhp

I'd guess closer to $450 with everything else you said.

 

Honestly this car really excites me. Front engine cars have their styling advantages just like mid-engine cars do. You have to exploit those advantages.

If they do it correctly, the car could look awesome.

 

Agreed. We've seen retro naming and retro styling now a sort of retro design philosophy. The difference being that this time it will make for a better car

 

If the 458 - hailed as the best Pinin/Ferrari design in a while - is inspired by the Dino, which historical Ferrari do F-Chatters think will influence the 599 replacement: 250 SWB, 250 GTO, the cleanly styled Daytona, or other, or none of the above?

Some of the working sketches for the 599 were clearly influenced by the GTO, as seen below, but not retained. Probably because, historically, Pinin and Ferrari don't do obvious retro designs, they're always looking forward. Another reason why it's so hard to anticipate what we'll get.

I've been making some crystal-ball sketches (also considering that, like the 599, this one should retain the A-pillars and windshield of the FF and therefore remain front-engined), but not sure which way to lean.

Engine-wise, if the 599 history repeats, its replacement should share its engine with the Enzo replacement. And because the cars are scheduled to be introduced in close succession, can we expect the Enzo replacement to have a turbo'd version, while the GT will be NA? Maybe V10 for lighter weight and less friction losses, but still more cylinders than 458? With newly patented, production car first (I think) pneumatic valve springs?
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From that pic it seems that a hatch back was proposed for the 599.

 

That, or a really, really tiny trunk lid ;-)

 

Curious to see the antecedent to the FF's most (?) controversial feature.

 

There it is....

 

Great point and I think very accurate.

 

Thank You Lamborghini for raising the bar

This car is going to be sick nasty at 700bhp

GTO who?

At 700 hp I would never ask for more grunt - never!

If one person posts that it's not a drivers car -it's because they cant handle 700 bhp which makes perfect sense - just be honest

 

There's a lot more to a drivers car than HP.

P 4/5 C has only 470hp. It's also carrying 600 lbs. of ballast. It's run a 7 minute Ring time
(On the ring that most know, the course we race is longer)

A 599XX with with 800hp went 6:48. With out engine restriction we can make 650hp and without ballast we can run at 2250 lbs. We'll run the Ring that way before we come home.

Personally I bet we'll be under the 599XX and the 599XX will be way under any road legal 599 even if it has 700hp.

IMO lightness, reasonable hp and massive downforce make a drivers car.

 

We have a winner!

The only thing 700 hp brings to the table is you will need to consider buying tires in bulk, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Dale

 

Fair enough - but I can't afford your car / crew - but I can afford this one under warranty ... I want my sick nasty 700bhp GT!

I see your point and it's valid - but this is a different platform and owner base.

If the GTO was great this will be even greater and I can't wait.

Best of luck in the ring - looking forward to the video

 

The new Lambo is apples to apples and I'd take the new Lambo over a 700hp 599.

I realize that's a totally personal thing but IMO the top road Ferrari should be mid-engined.

The next Enzo won't be apples to apples with the new Lambo but it will be with the 918 Porsche, Super Mclaren/Super Jag.

I look forward to all of them.

The good thing is there is a lot of choice.

If you like the 599 also consider an Aston Zagato Stradale.

 

Hang on......so 670 HP is not good enough!!???

 

Jim, I respectfully disagree. I don't think they're apples to apples.

We have driven the 599 around 30K miles in 2 years. Its usage ranged from drives across Europe to the usual Sunday drive. I've even used the 599 on airport runs or to buy groceries!

I have driven the Murcielago LP640 and whilst it's certainly a nice car, in terms of usability it certainly isn't comparable to a car like the 599. IMO, the Murcielago would be a great weekend warrior but not a very good daily driver. I suspect that the same holds true for the Aventador.

Personally, I think that the 599 has that perfect mix of usability and excitement.

 

Check out my thread in Silver - I posted a video of the Zagato a few weeks back.

I think you will be amused at the reaction to AM vs Ferrari.

 

700 Hp in a production car right after the GTO at 670 hp - it's good enough but it is now second best in the line up.

If they change the styling and make it lighter while adding hp ... and if it's true!

The 30 hp is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

Very true. It will interesting to see how much of this Ferrari incorporates into the replacement.

 

Agreed - Ferrari need to start "adding lightness" to their cars.

They can probably stay with aluminum for the chassis, but add more carbon bodywork and components - like P4/5 C. And anyway, except for the really top end supercars, a lot of the "carbon fiber" cars tend to maintain a large portion of their structure in aluminum.

Though it might sound sacrilegious not having a V12 in the range-topping model, I think they could also go with a smaller, lighter-weight V10 engine. A 10:8 scale up of the 458's V8 would give right around 700 hp.

Add a pneumatic valve system, which they've patented for road use, to reduce losses and fatten up the torque curve and you have a more usable powerplant.

Remember that before V8's were mandated in F1, V10's had supplanted the V12's because of weight and efficiency benefits - albeit at the relatively smaller 3L displacement.

Adding twin turbos to the V10 would result in a more compact (than large V12) powerplant for the Enzo replacement, while maintaining a higher cylinder count than 458 - and leave room for a turbo V8 McLaren-killer 458 replacement.

 

I take your point. As I don't use my sports cars except as sports cars I'm more interested in a "weekend car" than a true daily driver. I agree that a 599 is a better true daily driver than an Aventador. When I need something more practical we take my wife's car.

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