Next Season's WDC

It is a crime for any team and I would hope and expect that if Ferrari had executive level personnel with hundreds of documents and drivers texting about it they would be punished as Mclaren were. I want that type of transparency whether I am a Ferrari fan or not. I think the drivers should lose points as well. No excuse no matter if you support Ferrari or not. The sport and dealing must be as clean as possible or we have the charades like this year. I do not support cheaters and it would distress me greatly if Ferrari had done as Mclaren did this year. There are too many other things to do in life outside of watching F1 races. Ive had enough of controversey this year.

 

it was mentioned on another thread and various ppl shall we say werent interested in hearing the facts.



anyways onto next season.

FM has shown himself the equal of KR in my eyes this season - both are contenders for 2008
LH of course
FA - depends where he goes.

the problem is we are specualting here without knowing anything about the 2008 cars (which are likely to still be in the early development stage atm)

 

So on that basis: Would you then say if BMW n co if found to have gained an advantage with cooler fuel,
That they should have there drivers and cars Disqualified for the Brazil race and LH handed the title.?

The Mc drivers had done a deal with the FIA for info don't forget..

 

.... and Ferrari penalised for having Massa let Kimi past?

 

Well yes.. This is it where does one draw the line..

 

which time

 

Mclaren appears to be headed that direction. We shall see what is handed down. You know like Lewis using too many wet tires. That was a monetary fine. Sure seems like thats fair eh?

 

The FIA appears to be inconsistent with its rules and reg's and know doubt makes its self look a farce.
I was asking you in the ideal world you painted of fairness.

If BMW found guilty should Lewis be given the title..?

 

Technically illegal? What's the difference between that and plain, simple illegal?

 

Massa will...he has it all, the speed, the skill, the motivation, the team, the soul...

FORZA MASSA WORLD CHAMPION 2008

 

the level of deviousness in "trying" to hide it ????

 

A monetary fine is enough based on Lewis NOT being penalized for his teams infractions. All other teams along with him were fined. That was good enough right? I assume you agree. NO matter what I feel the FIA will act accordingly. The stewards said no. Will the FIA over rule them in session. I doubt it. If they do so be it.
I say a fine is enough, it was for Lewis and his tires. If they rule more so, so be it. Its their game to play. I have moved beyond this season already. Lewis will be gifted this if they rule so, if not then it was won on the track by Kimi, and Lewis and Mclaren choked and lost fair and square. If these cars had finished behind Lewis this would not be an issue although rules were broken. Mclaren would have done nothing. They simply dont care about the rules unless a benefit is to be had, like ALL other teams. Its just politics.

 

Passing team mates while in the pits seem legal, I don't recall teams being questioned about it.

 

There are different penalties for different violations.

It sounded like disqualifying the cars was the penalty, now with the circus who knows?

 

I think the question is whether the teams involved in either or both of these issues gained an advantage on the track from the infringement of the rules. Presumably the authorities thought that the infringement of the tyre rule did not give that kind of advantage and that a fine was an appropriate penalty. It is arguable that 'some' advantage on the track was gained in the fuel temperature case and with that in mind the authorities will have to decide on the appropriate penalty. It isn't black and white that it should be the same penalty in both cases.

That is, of course, true. The point though is that, arguably, they might have finished behind Lewis if they hadn't gained a performance advantage by breaking the rules.

 

I bet the lap times show Lewis was faster. In fact at Formula1.com they do. If that data is correct no advantage. Like I said this season is over and its old news. Next week we can all just speculate on driver moves and wait for testing results. No one will seriously think LH was the victor if they hand it to him. Even more tainted at that point. Sad....oh well its just racing and it doesnt pay my bills

 

I think the FIA set a precedent, at least for this season, of simply not taking driver points. The drivers likely had no idea of the fuel temps, it was a team infraction and thus the team should be penalized, monetarily or by DQing WCC points. If they had taken the WDC points away every other team on the grid would have cried bloody murder about LH and FA keeping their points, the advantage of 780 pages of technical data has to be more than 3 degress in fuel temp.

 

Yes agreed DF1 has skirted the issue again but no matter.

As far as I'am aware LH didn't gain any advantage with using 2 sets of wets if he did different story.

BMW on the other hand racing on the track maybe 2-4 laps with cooler fuel it would be considered an advantage.

Taking into account how hard it is to pass.

But still I have had enough sounds like sour grapes its not.

This is F1 like it or lump it

 

Meanwhile RACER magazine reported about a more recent test Rosberg did and he said that there will be quite a difference next year: If you step on it too early, you'll powerslide through the corner. So I'm not sure anymore that the ECU will just "eat it up". Also there is now a big debate over the ECU and its software being managed by a company belonging to McLaren. We probably haven't heard the last of that.

Regarding next year's champion:

 

eh how does that work ???

so LH was faster - however without the fuel advantatge he may have been even faster.
sounds like an advantage to me.

 

I think the whole grid will be closer to each other next year. I think Renault will make the biggest improvement, and Toyota will be a surprise, FINALLY getting things right. Honda is building a totally new car, so who knows? Toro Rosso did pretty well, all things considered, and I think they will improve. As to Red Bull and Williams, some improvement to make them a bit more competitive but they will still be in the middle of the pack, at best.....

 

I'll put my money on Massa as 2008 WDC if someone will give me 100 to 1 odds...
The favorites obviously will be Kimi and LH.

Ferrari will win the 2008 team championship unless some major disaster occurs.

Would be nice for JS to take over for Bernie, but I doubt that will happen. Max won't go unless forced out by the other members of the world council

 

Reread what ive written. Its up to the system. If they hand it to Lewis so be it. I will sleep soundly no matter. My opinion is they wont and have no basis to do so. Lewis wasnt in any position to win the race much less finish 5th or better without more laps to come if then. He did it to himself and the car didnt help either. He lost. If the system says he wins, life goes on!

 

Why!! re-read my posts what part of it do you not understand I asked YOU!! in your world of fair play should Lewis be given the title if BMW were proved to have being given an advantage... ? Thats it ..Yes or no will do ..Thank you

 

Hard to tell what will happen next year, but saying that Kimi dominated Massa this year is unreasonable IMO.
I would say they were pretty evenly matched, but Massa had some bad luck (i.e. team forgetting to fill gas on his car) at the worst possible moment, and from there on he realized that his main objective would have to be to help Kimi out.

If Kimi dominated Massa, it seems strange that Massa would come in a position to give up vicotories to Kimi don't you think?

Kimi Raikkonen and Felipe Massa are both great drivers, and I would not be surprised to see them finish #1 and #2 next season. My guess is that Felipe Massa will be the 2008 WDC. I also have a feeling that 2008 will be a disappointment for Lewis Hamilton...