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Nicole Simpson's Ferrari? Did I buy it?

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  1. Husker

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    That's not reasonable doubt. That's far flung doubt. Anything is possible - Santa Claus could have done it.

    The threshold is beyond a "reasonable" doubt, not beyond a "shred" of doubt.
     
  2. Husker

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    #227 Husker, Jul 5, 2016
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    There was blood recovered from the fence. It oddly matched the blood from OJ's sample, the blood in his socks, in the driveway, in the car, on the gloves, and at the crime scene. The gloves didn't "fit" because dude is an ACTOR.

    Think about the passion and anger behind these killings. They weren't just murdered. They were butchered. As in being nearly decapitated well after they were dead. Both heads were lifted up by the hair, and decapitation was attempted - both victims had deep cuts well into their vertebrae. Sorry, but hired guns don't kill in this way. Only people that are royally pissed kill this way.

    People hired to kill want it done quickly, cleanly, and with minimal blood evidence. They don't wear high dollar shoes and winter gloves for the gig either.
     
  3. Russ Gould

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    OJs blood at his own house or at the hotel in Chicago adds up to nothing other than OJ walked down his own driveway at home and entered the front door, and spent a few hours at hotel room in Chicago early next morning.

    The blood sample contamination, if it occurred, happened in the lab after everyone knew OJ was the prime suspect. The contamination could be deliberate or simply incompetence.

    Here is some more stuff regarding Kato that is not widely known that, if true, is incriminating but it also raises the possibility of other bad actor(s) in the matter, to the extent that someone was threatening Kato's life during the investigation and it was not OJ. It could have been the hired thief who circumstances caused to depart from the original theft plan and kill both victims KATO'S UNWITTING COMPLICITY
     
  4. Russ Gould

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    #229 Russ Gould, Jul 5, 2016
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    "Only people that are royally pissed kill this way."

    Or serial killers who enjoy it. The guy who confessed messed up some other people pretty badly.

    Blood on fence ... that was Nicole's fence. I don't find any evidence that blood was found on fence at OJ's house behind Kato's room where he heard thumps.

    One other funny thing .. OJ bought fake mustache and beard found in car at the time of the "slow chase" a couple of weeks before the murders. So he was obviously planning something ... but what?
     
  5. spicedriver

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    The civil trial jury did find OJ responsible, and gave the Goldman's a $30 million award. So there must have been some evidence.

    Also, detectives don't respond to 911 calls. They were only called in after 14 cops were already at the crime scene. The blood in OJ's Bronco was a mixture of Goldman's, Nicole's, and OJ's. Blood was on the carpet, steering wheel, and console. The defense claimed that the blood was planted there by police.

    Your theory of OJ hiring another person to kill Nicole, and then going back to see makes no sense. Who would be so stupid as to wade through a bloody crime scene with their rare Bruno Magli shoes, and leave their rare Aris Isotoner XL gloves at the scene ?

    The glove at Rockingham ended up outside Kato's guest house because OJ threw it back there, causing the thump Kato heard. This was the right hand glove, and probably didn't have as much blood on it as the left hand side holding the knife.

    And don't forget that the limo driver said Simpson was not at home when he arrived to pick him up for the trip to the airport. Only after he saw a man enter the house from outside, did OJ answer the door bell.

    Limousine Driver Deals a Blow to Simpson - NYTimes.com
     
  6. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    Why did every cop that pulled up on the scene that night immediately and willingly decide to participate in a felony to frame OJ when not a single one of them had any idea where in the world OJ was????? That frame- up had to be a game time decision and everyone had to be on board to make it work. All of them. WHY???

    He could have been on a golf course in Australia for all they knew.

    Explain!
     
  7. spicedriver

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    And also, $9,000 in cash was found in the Bronco, along with the disguise. He was obviously planning on disappearing.
     
  8. Russ Gould

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    #233 Russ Gould, Jul 5, 2016
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    "Your theory of OJ hiring another person to kill Nicole, and then going back to see makes no sense"

    Negative on two counts. 1. Not my theory, but the admission of a convicted knifer/serial killer on death row; and 2. not to kill, but to steal back jewelry and then it all went terribly wrong.

    Possibly OJ was waiting in Bronco nearby while "robbery" was going on. Guy comes out covered in blood and says gee, did not get diamonds and I had to off two people. OJ goes to look to see who the people were and whether they were good and dead. They both leave. OJ drops his guy off someplace and goes home to change and catch limo to airport. Or they both go to OJs house to clean up and change, that plan does not work out because limo driver has his lights on and Kato comes out, so bad guy leaves via back fence dropping glove there. OJ asks Kato to clean up Bronco, goes inside, showers and changes, and then comes out and leaves via Limo. He can't tell that story to the jury as he would be accessory to murder so he just sits it out knowing case is misconceived and will fail. Bad guy later threatens Kato who is the only other person who knows about his role. Kato wets his pants and says as little as possible.

    "And also, $9,000 in cash was found in the Bronco, along with the disguise. He was obviously planning on disappearing."

    OJ could not disappear any more than Elvis could disappear. $9K won't buy enough plastic surgery. The $9K could have been scraped together on an hour's notice. The mustache however was bought two weeks earlier so it's possible this was all planned: perhaps he planned to wear it going to/from Nicole's in case he was seen, but I doubt he wore it anywhere near her house as it would have come off in the struggle. I doubt he planned to kill her and then run as there would be no place to hide in that scenario. Or perhaps he is just really really dumb.

    Look, the blood evidence is pretty compelling. But there are some pieces that just don't fit. They say injuries to his left hand were fingernail wounds, but nothing found under victims' fingernails. No screaming heard. Dog running loose with leash but no bites on OJ. No injuries to OJ other than left hand. Blood in Bronco on passenger side as well as driver side. Blood on sock soaked through his foot somehow. Sock and gloves just too cute. Gloves too small. No shoes. No knife. No explanation for thumps on Kato's wall. Nicole hanging out with drug user friends and frequenting drug locales. Slashed tyres. And last but not least now here comes this serial killer who was part of the NBS circle at the time, saying (in writing) not only did he do it but describing how he did it and why.
     
  9. Enzojr

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    ....and the Vin is ?
     
  10. Russ Gould

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  11. Husker

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    Yes, and 9/11 was an inside job, LBJ killed JFK, Elvis was actually taken captive by aliens, and Hillary is as honest as Abe.

    Continue as you were.
     
  12. spicedriver

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    #237 spicedriver, Jul 5, 2016
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    If Kato had never mentioned the thump on the wall, Fuhrman would have never discovered the glove. And if Kato had cleaned out the Bronco, the cops would not have found blood everywhere. Kato has said all along that he thinks OJ is guilty. The dog didn't bite OJ, because it was HIS dog. There are 1,000 nuts who have claimed they killed Nicole and Ron. Your guy's story was 4 years ago. The cops have already said there was nothing to that story. There was only 1 set of footprints. No way could another person have been there without making prints in all that blood. Doing drugs is nothing new. Probably most young wealthy people are doing drugs.

    OJ had complained to Kato at McDonald's of how Nicole and her friend were skimpily dressed, and how she dissed him at the daughter's recital. He was pissed. He knew he had a limo driver coming to pick him up for the flight to Chicago. He figured that would be his alibi. He dressed in a black sweat suit, black hat, and gloves. He brought a knife. This was pre-meditated murder. Goldman was killed, because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time, dropping off Nicole's glasses in the envelope next his body. 1 slash killed Nicole, and almost decapitated her. Goldman fought back, and had pulled OJ's hat and left glove off in the struggle. OJ cut his finger on the murder weapon by accident. OJ's cut finger was dripping blood alongside his bloody Bruno Magli footprints. OJ dripped blood on the door of the Bronco, and inside the Bronco mixing with Nicole and Goldman's blood. A witness saw OJ speeding on Bundy Drive in the Bronco. The limo driver arrived before OJ got back to Rockingham. The limo driver circled twice, but never saw a parked Bronco. OJ didn't answer the intercom at first. Kato hears a thump on his wall, which is OJ throwing the right glove to the back of the house where Kato's room was. OJ drips blood from the Bronco to his front door. The limo driver sees a shadowy figure of a 6" 200 lb black man entering the house. The limo driver tries the intercom again, and OJ answers. OJ packs the bloody clothes and shoes into his checked luggage. The bloody clothes are disposed of in an airport trash bin, or somewhere in Chicago.

    http://www.davewagner.com/OJ/images/2rockham.jpg
     
  13. the_stig

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    Wow thanks for those images... NOT. Been reading this thread with a mixture of irritation and mild interest but that post puts things on a whole different level. I don't come to FC for graphic images with no warning and no consideration given.
    How about we just get back to talking about cars hmmm?
     
  14. spicedriver

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    Sorry about that, and you are right, this is not the place for a murder discussion. I shall refrain from any more posts about the subject.
     
  15. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    AND he has no response to my question that I have asked 3 times.
     
  16. Husker

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    I miss reading your posts Dr. C - I need to log on more often.
     
  17. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    :)
     
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    What are you talking about Husker??!! I saw Elvis in Vegas last week!

    He's alive damn you!
     
  19. ibesuc

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    The only valid question for this thread is if 73489 was parked on the street when OJ committed these crimes, which we still don't have an answer to.

    Russ Gould is either a troll, or OJ.
     
  20. Bradwilliams

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    +1. Perhaps Dana Carvey can better explain what happened that evening. I always liked his conspiracy theory :)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftfDs4VVM9E


    So a good question now would be how good of a chance is it that this is the car? 80 percent? 90?

    He HAS to be OJ :)
     
  21. Husker

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    #246 Husker, Jul 6, 2016
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    I think the car isn't Nicole's. It's not that hard to trace a VIN. If you didn't have the time, you could pay a PI to solve this in an afternoon.
     
  22. ibesuc

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    True, its been 6 years since the guy first proposed the idea and it should be traceable.

    On the other hand, there hasn't ever been another Mondial that has shown up claiming Nicole as the previous owner...
     
  23. Husker

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    That's not very compelling to me, but if it works for everyone else...
     
  24. Bradwilliams

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    Followed this thread from the beginning and my question is the following? What proof do you have that Gaylord Flynn bought Nicole Brown's car? Did someone simply tell you that? Read it in a newspaper article?? Why not reach out to him if this were the case?

    Seems like its 70 percent likely to me that this is the car given what you have said is true. And if the plaintiff exhibit number is valid, shouldn't you just be able to contact somebody in the court system to match it to the case? They don't have to give you any specific info, just say "yes this car was involved in this case" like another poster mentioned, this should be able to be proven in a matter of days not years.
     
  25. the_stig

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    Gaylord Flynn is listed as owning 73489 in 2004 in the results of an FCA concours event.
     

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