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No car number stamped on the clutch bell housing

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  1. Iceblue

    Iceblue Formula Junior

    Nov 5, 2012
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    I looked all day for my chassie car number on the bell clutch housing and could not find one.

    I did find a matching set of ( internal ) engine numbers engine number upper and lower part of the engine case that matches with my bill sheet from Maserati.

    I did contact MIE and they say that allot of 3500 GT and GTI are not always stamped with the chassie number on clutch bell housing.

    Has anyone else run into this?
     
  2. ghibliman

    ghibliman Formula Junior

    Feb 19, 2009
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    Can you tell me where the internal numbers are stamped......I have my engine apart and I'd like to verify they match. Maybe post a picture if you have one.

    Thanks,
    Chris
     
  3. Iceblue

    Iceblue Formula Junior

    Nov 5, 2012
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    Hey Chris

    The engine numbers are located on engine case upper and lower.
    For instance the lower number is stamped on the driver side, real close to the oil pump pully facing down.

    The upper number is stamped again on the driver side right below the valve cover near the radiator hose.

    I will take some pictures and post them.
     
  4. ghibliman

    ghibliman Formula Junior

    Feb 19, 2009
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    Thank you Mr. Iceblue.........
     
  5. Iceblue

    Iceblue Formula Junior

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    #5 Iceblue, Jan 2, 2013
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  6. ghibliman

    ghibliman Formula Junior

    Feb 19, 2009
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    Thanks once again :)
     
  7. thecarnut

    thecarnut F1 Rookie
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    No car number stamped on the engine is more common than most people realize. The 3500GTi I recently sold did not have a number, my Sebring does not have a number, neither have at least 3 Vignale spyders I've owned through the years. I would not loose any sleep ...

    Ivan
     
  8. ghibliman

    ghibliman Formula Junior

    Feb 19, 2009
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    Interesting......thanks for weighing in Mr. Ivan. Are there any clues to look for in the absence of the typical numbers to verify if the engine might be original?
     
  9. Portenos

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    Agree with Ivan. It seems that it was easier to replace problem engines with crate motors than finding the mechanic to preform the rebuild.
    To confirm this one will need to purchase the big format build sheet from the factory and note that the engine number on the form corresponds to the engine number on your engine. Note I am not talking about the chassis number, but the engine number. The one in front by the water pump.
    If the numbers match, the engine was fitted at the factory to your car. If they do not match then you most likely have a crate engine.
    FGM
     
  10. Iceblue

    Iceblue Formula Junior

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    #10 Iceblue, Jan 3, 2013
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    Here is the big bill sheet supplied from Maserati for my car.
    You will see the mention of engine number at the top.

    Make me wonder why Maserati did not make the engine number as an official key indicator for certain years of productions?
    Even today 2013 / Maserati should let owners asking for original documentation know that that the Vin number is not always stamped on the clutch bell housing.

    For example from 58-64 on the 3500, the engine number is located at two location and is KEY to unlock the truth about your car's originality.

    For later years the rules are different.
    Rather than having vin number appear only on some cars clutch bell housing? Leaving owners wondering if their engine is original to their car.

    As a new owner this documentation saved me allot of sleepless night!
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  11. Portenos

    Portenos Formula 3

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    It looks like your car has a matching number engine. It just does not have the chassis number stamped on it. This in my opinion makes no difference in the value of the car as compared to one with a matching chassis number.
    FGM
     
  12. Iceblue

    Iceblue Formula Junior

    Nov 5, 2012
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    Hey Frank will you be going to the Gooding Auction on the 19th?
    Let me know if you ever run across an original tool bag for my 62 GTI
    Thanks
    Olivier
     
  13. Portenos

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    Yes, I'll be there. Call me if you are there.
    FGM
     
  14. ghibliman

    ghibliman Formula Junior

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    Ivan,

    Is your point that there were instances from the factory, on a new car, where no engine stamping was done.......or more like FGM's point that many were swapped later?

    Thanks,
    Chris
     
  15. Portenos

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    I thought I was clear but maybe not, so here it is again.

    If the numbers match, the engine was fitted at the factory to your car.
    If they do not match then you most likely have a crate engine or an engine simply not stamped with the chassis number.
    To further clarify, there are 2 numbers normally stamped on an engine as it was being assembled. The engine number (the most important number) is always (always) stamped on the engine.
    The other number is the chassis number. Sometimes they did not stamp the chassis number on the engine for what reason I do not know (one of the mysteries)
    I hope this is clear.

    Since Iceblue's engine does not have the chassis number but does have an engine number that matches the factory documents then in this case the engine was installed at the time the car was assembled and is the correct engine for that car.
    FGM
     
  16. ghibliman

    ghibliman Formula Junior

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    Thanks for elaborating :)


    Sorry to hijack Iceblue’s thread…but…..I have only 2 numbers on my block that do not correlate to anything.

    OAS194A – Located adjacent to the distributor
    S1948 – Located adjacent to the Oil Pan

    Anybody have a clue what these mean?

    Thanks in adavance.
    Chris
     
  17. thecarnut

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    Are these numbers from a V8 engine?

    If they are; the "S means it is a 4.7 liter dry sump engine (Ghibli), the "1948" is the actual engine number.

    Ivan
     

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