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No Dinoplex?

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  1. stevehuck

    stevehuck Formula Junior

    Jun 4, 2004
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    Is it possible that a 1970 365GT 2+2 would come without the dinoplex ignition. From the looks of the drawing there should be two, but I have not found them in the box. Do i need them or can the ignition be wired the old fashion way?
     
  2. Bryan

    Bryan Formula 3

    If it's like the 365 GTC4, you can run the car without the boxes, but it isn't a good idea as the points will take all the load, which they aren't designed for.

    Is it possible that there is a modern box, e.g. MSD or Pertronix, hiding somewhere? Many people replace their Dinoplexes with these systems, but they usually leave the Dinoplexes in places for appearance.
     
  3. drew365

    drew365 Formula Junior

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    I replaced my dinoplexs with MSD units. Since they are in the fender well, there is no concern about looks. I did it by wiring the MSD into the existing plug that goes to the emergency switch, so the only change from stock is a wire to the coils from the MSD units plus wires to the battery since the MSD's get power direct from the battery. It's truly amazing how quick the car starts now with the MSDs and an Optima battery. I made a sheetmetal plate to mount the MSD units to the existing bolts in the fender wells.
     
  4. shaughnessy

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    US version came with factory electronic ignition two dinoplexes


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  5. synchro

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    I took my dodgy dinoplex in my 246 GTS and sent it to Permatune; they use the case and connectors and install reliable, modern electronics. I have a system which nobody can tell from original if I show it, yet it starts every time.


    Truth is you can put an MSD, Allison, or other type inside the box - just look on Ebay what dead units sell for. Buyers just want the case and connectors.
     
  6. stevehuck

    stevehuck Formula Junior

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    #6 stevehuck, Feb 15, 2005
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    What model MSD did you use? I have been on there website already to scope them out.



    There is no way anythink is hiding, let me show ya. haha
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  7. drew365

    drew365 Formula Junior

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    I used two MSD 6A units. One for each side of the engine.
     
  8. Bob Zambelli

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    Steve - If you haven't found all the items for your 365 ignition, allow me to offer an alternative.

    Buy two Bosche Blue 12V ignition coils and two condensers for any old Ford V-8.

    Install everything as on a standard 12V Kettering (points type) system, and LEAVE OFF the Marelli ballast resistors. Use the stock Ferrari points (buy them new) and NGK BP5ES or BP6ES plugs. Don't even bother with platinum plugs - I have never found them to be any advantage.

    It is simple, reliable, very inexpensive and does not involve any hacking or cutting - everthing just bolts in. If you want to go back to the original system, you can at any time. BUT, why bother? I converted my car as such years ago and have never had a problem.

    The points will last about 30,000 miles. If you want, you can paint the coils the same color as the originals - nobody will ever know but you and the guy who is haveing fits with the Dinoplex.

    If you want, I can send you a schematic - it's super simple.

    Bob Z.
     
  9. stevehuck

    stevehuck Formula Junior

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    Thanks but to late. Bought the msd ignitions on sale for $159 each. Check out the "msd and horn" thread.
     
  10. Edward 96GTS

    Edward 96GTS F1 World Champ
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    The dinoplexes are approx 4" wide by 10" long and should be in the engine compartment. At least they are in my Daytona.
    Ed
     
  11. synchro

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    Long, double unit with a pinch in the middle...
     
  12. Kliz

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    I purchased a 1972 246 Dino GTS recently. Included in the service records was an April 2001 invoice from T. Rutlands for a "p/n 29315 Dinoplex AEC 103 Rebulit EC". Attached to the invoice were instructions for a Model FRS Perma-Tune designed to replace the stock ignition. The box looks like a Dinoplex and is marked AEC 103A. Am I to assume Perma-Tune electronics have replaced the Dinoplex electronics and this is an upgrade over the original Dinoplex? The primary coil is marked AEC 103A. My gosh, the previous owner paid $820 for this upgrade. For that it should be an improved ignition! The car does run quite well! If I could figure out how to attach a photo I would.
    Bill
     
  13. stevehuck

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    I believe that service is to gut out the old dinoplex electronics and install modern electronics in the old dino case. You get the modern electronics and no body can tell by looking.

    The car i am working on had no dinoplex installed so while it was disassembled i installed the MSD system ($330) rather than the dinoplex system ($1700).
     
  14. dm_n_stuff

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  15. Kliz

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    Thanks guys for the feedback!

    I contacted T. Rutlands today and confirmed that my Dinoplex does have new Perma-Tune electronics installed. Hopefully the ignition won't be an issue for some time.

    Dave!
    My Dino/Perma-Tune box looks exactly like yours pictured. My coil is a Marelli BAE 200A / AEC 103A which is the standard Dinoplex coil (according to the owners manual). Is the Bosch coil shown with your sustem an upgrade over the original Marelli coil?
     
  16. drew365

    drew365 Formula Junior

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    The ignition boxes in my car don't look anything like that pic. I believe mine are spelled dynoplex also and I don't think they are available anymore. Just thought I'd throw that in since it appears the posters on this thread are talking about two different systems. The original name of this thread should have been "No Dynoplex", since Steves' car would have the same box as mine.
     
  17. stevehuck

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  18. drew365

    drew365 Formula Junior

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    That be it. I guess I dreamed the y. Sorry for the misinformation.
     
  19. Bryan

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  20. stevehuck

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    The units are mounted in the wheel well, behind sheet metal, and behind the heater boxes. You would have a hard way to go if you wanted to see them. Rather than spend $800 on ferrari parts why not get the MSD's at $330 a pair.

    That's all i'm saying!
     
  21. parkerfe

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    How do the Permatune systems compare to the ones from MSD?
     
  22. stevehuck

    stevehuck Formula Junior

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    I have no idea. Never heard of permatune before i started bothering these ferrari people.

    MSD makes some very reliable ignition parts and has a wide assortment of devices that do everything. Go to the website and check out the equipment. I have a Chevelle with the MSD distributor, ignition, 3 step rev limiter, and i can adjust my timing from a knob on the dash. I and friends have used these ignitions for years and i have only seen one go bad and that was in a derby car and was solid mounted.
     
  23. T.O. Dino

    T.O. Dino Formula Junior

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    Is your car a euro? The MSD is not compatable with a euro distributor with a three lobe cam and a two point setup. The MSD gets confused from the two different signals it is receiving from the two different points. The alternative is to install an electronic type ei. Pertronix. Even with the electronic ignition you still have to go with only one sensor and six pick ups rather than two sensors and three pick ups. With the US. distributor you can just discconnect the one point and run the car off the other one. The US distributor has a six lobe cam. The MSD will only receive one signal and this will not cunfuse the MSD. Will the perma-tune run properly with a euro two point setup?
     
  24. coachi

    coachi Formula 3

    May 1, 2002
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    My 2 cents worth...I installed MSD units in one of my daytonas, and kept a pair of AEC 104's on the shelf as a trophy. The car starts every time, and have had no trouble with it. I also installed a single MSD unit in my Boxer, and it too works great. My original dinoplex there too has been relegated to the trophy box. Ferraris were meant to be driven, I am told. They can't be driven reliably with archaic (though original) electronics.

    Incidentally, my "other" daytona has orginal AEC 103 A. I starts relatively easily. But if they fail, I will go the MSD route.
     

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