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Non-Ferrari source for AC compressor?

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  1. JIMBO

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    OK boys, the clutch release bearing seal replacement went smooth as silk on the '94 512TR/M. Now I have a potentially much more time-consuming Ferrari adventure to attempt: replacement of the A/C compressor, expansion valve and receiver/dryer. The A/C has been needing a rebuild for a few years and I have been planning to remove the entire dash anyway (again) to install a non-shrunk replacement, so it's time to "git er done".

    I checked with Maranello Parts today and a Ferrari replacement compressor was $3,400 (yeah, I laughed too). I believe these are Japanese components and I have to imagine they can be obtained elsewhere for less. Any suggestions? The expansion valve and dryer were not too bad ($200 - 300), but I'll bet they can be found for less too.

    Thanks and have a great 4th.

    ...Jim
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

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    Send it to a domestic AC component rebuilder. Some hassle shipping/arranging (last time I looked into this), but shouldn't be more than a few hundred $ and a couple of days turnaround for the actual rebuilding (but might be without EM clutch assy $ included) - for ~$3K you can afford to pay for some of your time to investigate ;)
     
  3. smg2

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    go here, they do the local Ferrari club cars, www.a-aironline.com. fast and waaaaaaaaaay cheaper.
     
  4. Steve King

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    Go to the Sanden website and give them a call. I'll bet they can match it up for a few hundred dollars.
     
  5. parkerfe

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    #5 parkerfe, Jul 4, 2008
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    I had my Boxer's compressor rebuilt for less than $500 at www.autocool.biz...you can ship it to them or find a local auto air shop...
     
  6. moysiuan

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    You need to know the make (probably a Sanden), type, model number and serial number. With this info. any good a/c place will be able to track down the proper part. Can probably get a look at the unit on the car, the info. is on a id tag on the unit.
     
  7. fmaderi

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    dr Jim , take the compressor to polar or super parts automotive parts warehouse ,one of the other lager companies and match it up . same thing with the dries and expansion etc. you should be able to get something in the $300 range. drier 20-30 etc.at good guy will walk you through pag oil type and amount also. i update the hi/lo cut-out switch to a R134 unit as well . i do this all the time and just make the parts up my normal margin . i'm sure you could call the pisano L.S. and get the telefone number from him . you could call P.S. also . saluti frank maderi 727-735-7092
     
  8. mike

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    Few sources for a/c stuff;



    http://www.omega-usa.com/vp/products.htm

    http://www.discountacparts.com/addtocart~year~1986~make~Ferrari~model~308~descript~A-C_Compressor~part~60-01013.asp

    http://www.atcomail.com/customerservice/default.htm

    Atco does not sell retail but their site has great cross refrences, from here you can go to acparts.com

    http://www.techchoiceparts.com/

    http://www.acparts.com/


    Also Napa is a good source; here is their parts pro online store;

    http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(x01ehu45io0fhl452l5zwret))/Welcome.aspx

    328- compressor-

    http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(qazprsnvgf0w1555ocdd5saj))/Detail.aspx?R=TEM278108_0120241454


    NAPA EXP valve:

    http://www.napaautoparts.com/masterpages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=TEM&PartNumber=207303&Description=A%2fC+Expansion+Valve


    Just need to match YOUR comp. to theirs …..this is the 328…
    NAPA sells the York 209/210 (206-style with larger displacement) compressor for the 308/328 under part #278108 (new)/#258108 (remanufactured).
    not sure if yours uses the same
     
  9. Lawrence Coppari

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    I put a Sanden in my DE Porsche 10 years ago charged with hydrocarbon refrigerant. I have been cool since.
     
  10. 4redude

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    The compressor can be sourced or rebuilt at many places like the guys mentione4d. The key component is the clutch on the compressor. It is a high RPM model (7700rpm redline on the 512TR right?). Many other car makes & models use the same compressor but will have a redline of 5500rpm or so.
    My advice is to keep your clutch when you take the compressor in for repair or rebuild.
     
  11. BigTex

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    That's true the clutch even on the 308GTB is a Ferrari specific item so do NOT let them lose it..

    Didn't think of the rotational speed but on mine, it's the special pulley configuration.....
     
  12. Lawrence Coppari

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    Obviously, pulley configuration controls speed of compressor. I would not worry about the clutch. The ones I've replaced had metal to metal contact so there is no friction material to wear out such as with other clutches. If the thing turns faster, I'd have a lot more concern about the compressor than I would with the clutch. If the clutch goes bye-bye, you could always get another and change belt length to compensate if necessary. Besides, why would one redline the engine with the AC on. Seems self defeating to me.

    Most clutches go bad because they short out internally. The thing is just an electromagnet that slams the rotating part into the non-rotating part and holds them together. The magnet windings have a lacquer type insulation material that degenerates with time and heat. Eventually, the insulation will wear off and wires will shunt. This shortens the effective length of the coil wire thus letting it pass more current because the resistance lowers. The result is the wire will get hotter and begin to degrade faster. Eventually, the clutch quits working altogether (open internally) or begins blowing fuses with regularity.
     
  13. JIMBO

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    Many thanks, gents, for all the good advice. I now have several reasonable sources for the Sanden Compressor, the expansion valve and the drier.

    I tried to remove the expansion valve today, but I was unable to loosen the most forward upper fitting that connects the evaporator to the upper part of the expansion valve. How does one get a wrench onto this fitting? There is no space, and no way I can see to make space. Is there a special tool?

    Also, when I removed the drier, the oil in the lines was brown, almost rust colored. Is this normal, or should I flush the lines while the system is apart? I plan on replacing the drier and expansion valve and then see if the system works before I go through the contortions of removing the compressor. The clutch works fine. The system was working well until about 5 weeks ago, when I was driving happily along and suddenly no cool air. The R12 was OK but the high/low side pressures did not want to equalize. Does this sound like an expansion valve sticking?

    How exactly does one flush AC lines? Is there a flush kit I can purchase reasonably? I know, lotsa questions, but I'm just learning this AC stuff.

    Again, I owe the FChat family big time...
     
  14. JIMBO

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    Thanks for all the advice/info.

    I took a chance and brought the drier and expansion valve to Car Quest here in Bradenton. It took about 10 minutes to match up the expansion valve and 30 minutes to research the drier, but they had replacements in stock!

    Expansion Valve CTC207349 $38.39 (this is a GM piece)
    Receiver Drier WPC R104056594PAR $65.54 (this is a Parker unit)

    I went in on a Friday morning when the place was not busy and the counter guy was able to spend the time to find the parts. I'll keep posting as the AC refurbishment project continues. Shamile is coming over today to help me disassemble the rest of the dash (that will be another post... or two). Maybe we'll get the AC compressor out and flush the lines...
     
  15. snj5

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    excellent thread - many thanks!!
     
  16. JIMBO

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    ??????????????????????? who are LS and PS?
     
  17. JIMBO

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    #17 JIMBO, Aug 3, 2008
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    Shamile came over yesterday in the gorgeous blue Lambo roadster and we got the dash apart and the expansion valve out. Now I can't seem to get the AC compressor out (a Sanden 508 BTW). I took off the tensioner bolt assembly but I can't slide the pivot bolt out far enough to remove the whole compressor/pivot bracket. It hits the heater hose. Shamile said I should be able to angle the bolt past the side of the hose, but no go. I can see about 8-9 threads exposed, it can't be holding the bracket in by much. Do I have to take the hose off (please say no). I tried compressing the hose with a broom handle but still no luck. Any suggestions? Here are previously promised photos:
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