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Nonsense in for sale section

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by dwhite, Jul 15, 2016.

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  1. dwhite

    dwhite F1 Rookie

    "Posts on how you would have restored or repaired a car differently are not relevant to a car for sale. The car is what it is and was restored and repaired as it was. Pertinent posts are: 1) questions regarding the car as it is, 2) first hand factual information pertinent to the car, and 3) good luck type comments. All other comments belong in the forums."

    Does not really help people who are buying this car or any other to delete certain information regarding sellers opinion.

    Just another of the many steps backwards on this site in recent years. All makes sense as Rob has sold out his interest. This was a place to help people who wanted to own, drive and maintain Ferraris. Now it is a place for people who just want congratulate each other for their new watch, shoes or other silly acquisition. Shameful.

    A complete repaint is a cause for concern to anyone who is buying this car, as it is being touted as a collectable item.
     
  2. craterface

    craterface Formula Junior

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    I looked back at a few of your posts and I can't see which one.

    In my mind, when someone posts a car for sale on any enthusiast forum, the seller should be prepared for whatever comments come. Discussing the pros and cons of a full repaint seems fair game to me.

    You are correct in that the monetizing of sites like Ferrarichat is fraught with peril. Sellers, who pay to list cars, since they have to subscribe, will be favored. The other free sites I frequent such as e9coupe.com and the alfabb.com have no such conflict.

    BTW, Zak Brown, the new owner of FC, owns some amazing cars!

    Scott
     
  3. henryr

    henryr Two Time F1 World Champ
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    well...

    not sure rob has sold out his (meaning all) interest but i did hear about a G5 purchase that is heading towards texas.....

    and the popularity of websites like BaT new auction formats are showing that is where things are heading and what people want.
     
  4. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    dwhite:

    1. You're opinion is welcome but you're a little late to the party.

    2. With over 175,000 registered users, no decision or rule is going to make everyone happy.

    This topic was discussed and debated at great length some time ago, and in the end, changes were made to support the majority opinion. The current rules were the result of a collective decision made by the moderators and they were drafted in response to an overwhelming outcry from users over the deterioration of the classified ad section at the hands of people with nothing better to do than pick apart every ad. This happened some time ago and the subsequent set of posting rules had nothing to do with Rob selling a majority interest in the site, nor was it financially motivated in any way (the moderators who made the decision and drafted the rules volunteer their time here).

    Again, you're opinion is welcome; I'm not discounting or disagreeing with you. It's just that we've already been down this road and most who spoke up at the time didn't agree with you.
     
  5. Dave rocks

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    Other sites have the option for the OP to lock the thread. I like that option as it keeps comments out of the classified thread. The OP can unlock at anytime to add information and then lock again so others can't comment. I think that would be a great option and reduce a lot of moderator work but for some reason, that suggestion was not put in place, perhaps for system reason - I don't know as I suggested it a long time ago.
     
  6. metaldriver

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    When a car is posted for sale, often other people ask why the owner is selling it. Is that any of your business? Perhaps health issues or the economy or just wanting a different car. Asking about the history of the car is fair game, but asking for the reason to sell is not!

    When somebody posts that they are looking for a Ferrari to buy, do people ask why they want to buy one.

    I have not seen a single thread where the audience asks the buyer why, but several instances of asking the seller why. Stick to the topic and keep your nose to yourself. :rolleyes:
     
  7. El Wayne

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    Dave, the idea was discussed, but not put into effect because most here wanted to preserve the ability for users to ask relevant questions or expose fraudulent advertisers and ads which fail to disclose material facts (substantial prior accident damage, salvage title, etc).

    And to clarify, we don't cater to or protect advertisers (not even site sponsors) and we don't try to emulate the practices of other automotive forums. F-Chat has a unique "vibe" and we strive to maintain that. In fact, the moderators here are not a bunch of kids with too much free time on their hands; for the most part, we're engineers, lawyers, successful entrepreneurs, etc. Time truly is money for most of us, and yet we volunteer a great deal of our time here because we enjoy the unique F-Chat "vibe". I wouldn't do this for any of the other automotive forums out there, and so copying whatever they're doing is simply not on the agenda.
     
  8. Dave rocks

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    Thank you, Wayne - I appreciate the explanation. I think questions should be directed to the seller offline (one way to thin the heard of tire kickers), but your point about fraudulent adds is very good.

    Again, I appreciate the explanation - makes good sense.
     
  9. dm_n_stuff

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    And, as we all know, we're not here to protect the sellers from themselves. Or, are we?

    I know we've been over it a million, billion times, but fresh discourse never hurts, right? FerrariChat is a living, breathing organism, and as such, discussion among reasonable people needs to occur.

    Having said all that, the policy seems to be caveat emptor. Unless you have a concrete reason to post within a for sale ad, i.e. "I sold this car two years ago to you, it had a salvage title then, why no mention of it now?" Or, "Isn't this car stolen, since the photo matches one I took of the car before it WAS stolen" seem to be just about the limit to the conversation beyond, GLWS and, "she's a beauty."

    Why not allow some comments about how a car was repaired, or restored, or a better approach? That seems pertinent. If the guy posting the comment is full of ****, the other guys here will chew him up, then the moderators can decide to delete the posts, should they so desire. Or we can rat him out with the /!\

    Surprisingly (and this is twice in two days :eek:) I agree with Dave. Let a seller lock his listing with a note at the bottom, "All questions and comments by PM please."

    And finally, if we want to disassemble a car that is for sale, we can always start a thread in general discussion and do exactly that. I've done that in the past, sometimes with startling results. (Just seems it would be easier to do in the actual for sale listing.)

    Wondering out loud here. If there's a discussion of the car going on elsewhere, would it be ok to post a link in the ad itself to that discussion?

    Ok, I'm out.

    D
     
  10. dm_n_stuff

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    Ok, not quite out.

    Most of the problems with classifieds would be solved with a couple of additional requirements.

    ASKING PRICE - no price, no ad.
    GOOD PICTURES - no pix, no ad.

    D
     
  11. Dave rocks

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    :D :D :) :cool:

    All you posted here, Dave makes good sense. I like the idea of starting a thread about the car with a link to the listing if the listing is a scam or other non sense. That would keep the listing clean. But, lot's to consider here and it seems as the team at hand has discussed this in detail over time so I'm sure they have good reasons, some as Wayne posted.
     
  12. technom3

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    THIS!!!! and MILEAGE!
     
  13. zygomatic

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    And location.
     
  14. Schulz308

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    imo any car for sale site or section should have required fields to post an ad.like miles, vin, price, title, contact info,etc.
     
  15. Todd308TR

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    Yes, like one of the popular Porsche sites. It's so nice for the buyer and helps the idiots that can't write a for sale ad to save their life.
     
  16. Alden

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    Some folks are on my ignore list for good reasons, they seem to get up on the wrong side of the bed every day and I don't want to read any drivel or venom they choose to post.

    Some folks are also chomping at the bit to pick apart the ads section when most of the time they have no intention of buying the item, they just want to be "experts" for the day.

    Some folks have had their posts in the for sale section repeatedly deleted due to rule violations. They have been warned by the mods to stop and are on the edge of a ban if they continue to violate the rules.

    Why are all these groups of people the exact same people?

    If you like the way they do it "over there," then that is where you need to be, not here. This is a unique, wonderful, and kind community among car forums on the web.
    Alden
     

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