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Not sure if my 360 is shifting correctly

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  1. nnjferrari

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    I'm new to driving a 360 and I am not sure if my car is shifting correctly or not. When I'm paddle shifting if feel as if the shift isn't smooth, rather like a race car. Almost like a small pause between gears. Again I'm new to this car and it may all be in my head. My maserati gt shifts very smooth even in auto. The auto in the 360 even rough I think.

    Any comments can help


    On a side note, the car is fun and it's quicker then I thought it was going to be.
     
  2. greyboxer

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    What kind and year of Maserati are you comparing to? They had an F1 for a short time but move away from it quickly and went to an auto (torque converter setup).

    There is a slight pause in shifting. It is after all a 6 speed manual gearbox. The clutch disengages, shifts, then reengages; that process is never instantaneous.
     
  4. 993man

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    You'll get use to it. It's not like an auto and it will give a snap as it changes.
    The faster and harder you go the better it gets!
    Give it some time.


    Enjoy
     
  5. nnjferrari

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    My maserati is the gt 2008.
    I believe the car is driving correctly I just think it's not as smooth as I was expecting. I think it's the f1 and nothing wrong with the car. I enjoy the the car thus far but I wanted to make sure it's not the car and it needs service
     
  6. up4speed

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    The way I like to describe it is that it feels exactly like the person is driving a manual transmission car. If you close your eyes and think it's a manual transmission car, that's the way it shifts and it's normal. If you are taking it easy it's EXACTLY like a manual transmission car with a clutch. If you are beating on it it is also exactly like a person driving a manual transmission car, with the exception that it iperforms lightning quick shifts compared to a human and if you do a down shift, it does perfect does perfect rev matches every time!
    It does get slightly smoother as you become more experienced with the F1 transmission, however it will never feel like an automatic transmission car.
     
  7. nnjferrari

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    That makes more sense. It does feel like a full manual transmission. So I'm going to say the car is driving as it should be. I enjoy driving it , I feel like I'm driving a race car. Much different then all my other cars and I have everything from classics, muscle to exotics
     
  8. The Nutsack

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    #8 The Nutsack, Oct 26, 2014
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    No other car has the soul of a Ferrari.

    The F1 in the 360 feels very much like a MT, much more so than the 430, which is hyper-fast and crisp in a way that no human could ever achieve consistently (or at least not THIS human (who has been driving sticks his entire life)). And the 458 is on another planet entirely.

    If you have never driven a 430 or 458 you should try it just for the experience. It's one of the starkest differences between the models I think. If you're like me, you'll be in awe of the others but appreciate the feel of the 360 even more.
     
  9. Ron328

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    #9 Ron328, Oct 27, 2014
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    Good to know the above as I am a recent F1 convert and feel that small "pause" too when shifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd on my 360. I have driven a California (not sure what year) and it shifted faster. I can't wait to test-drive a 430 and 458.
     
  10. English Rebel

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    What year is your 360 as they improved the TCU in later models all the way to the CS TCU which is the best shifting.
    Alan
     
  11. Ron328

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    #11 Ron328, Oct 27, 2014
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    If you are asking me, Alan, mine is a 2003. The OP didn't indicate his. Mine just had a new clutch/flywheel installed. Attached was the SD3 reading.
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  12. ncjetskier

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    Mathew, I have a 2008 Granturismo and a 03 360. The GT is MUCH smoother than the 360. The F1 seems to have a mind of its own. Every once in a while, it will have a pause between shifting gears resulting in a higher engine RPM until the next gear is engaged.

    Before replacing the clutch, take offs with the F1 were brutal with a ton of jerkiness (looked like I was listening to head banging music). The PIS was not set correctly. Once set correctly, the car rode much better - but the car had very little clutch left (the car was a trade in and someone out of Florida set the TCU to state that there was 85% clutch left when there was only 30%).

    If your clutch is in good shape, it may just be the TCU. You may need the PIS reset.

    I would disconnect the battery to reset the computer and see if that helps (does not cost anything but make sure you can reset your radio stations).
     
  13. tazandjan

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    Chris- Your Maserati has a torque converter automatic. No different from the automatic in many US, German, and Japanese cars of the same vintage. Very smooth.

    Your FI 360 has a manual transmission and clutch, identical to the three pedal 360, with shifting and clutch actuation done by an electro-hydraulic system. These systems improved continuously through the 599 GTO until they were replaced by dual clutch transmissions (DCT) in the California and later Ferraris. The early systems can be jerky until you learn to drive them smoothly, and there is a learning curve. The DCTs are similar in smoothness to an automatic in normal driving.

    If you have an early 360, operation can be improved by substituting a late CY 2002 (last update) transmission control unit (TCU) or a one from the Challenge Stradale.
     
  14. nnjferrari

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    I have a 2002 360 and I do feel as if there is a delay that shouldn't be there. I don't know my clutch %. I am looking at dropping my car off at a ferrari shop in jersey, classic coach to review the car for me.
    The battery disconnection would that really help? Where would I do that, passenger side floor?
     
  15. The Nutsack

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    Matthew, I find that at lower revs it doesn't shift as smoothly, and also sometimes it takes time to warm up. I've also had the situation at high revs where it blips the RPM higher (jumps 500 RPM) before shifting. I'm not sure this makes sense, but it seems like the more I drive the car the less frequently those things happen and the more intuitive the shifts have become. How long have you had the car?
     
  16. nnjferrari

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    I have only had the car a week. Drove about 200 miles thus far. It's extremely different then all my other cars , 13 other cars. I just wanted to see the comments on what I thought was a fault before I showed up to the garage and made an ass out of myself about my comments and or thoughts. I appreciate the help
     
  17. tazandjan

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    Matthew- What year is she? If it makes you feel better, take her to your tech and have him put her on an SD2 to run a self check and diagnostics and also possibly change out the F1 fluid and bleed the system. Last recommendation for changing F1 fluid was 3 years (for the 599). The 360 has no recommended change interval in the tech data, but then many Ferraris have none for coolant changes, either, and we know what happens if that is not changed out frequently.

    If you fill out your profile at least on the model and year Ferrari, it helps answer many questions.
     
  18. English Rebel

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    I don't think my fluid has ever been changed in 29k miles even though they replaced the clutch. I don't have issues but I may let the dealer do my next oil change and replace the F1 fluid at the same time. What do you think?
    Alan
     
  19. nnjferrari

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    When stepping on the gas I hear like whistle
    Noise or something like a blowoff sound. What is that?
     
  20. The Nutsack

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    I won't try to diagnose that one in the chat room. Maybe someone else has a thought.

    It sounds like you would benefit from having it checked out. Did you have the fluids checked before you purchased it? If not, you should definitely do that I think. I'm no expert, but just for your peace of mind.
     
  21. tazandjan

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    Alan- I would if I were you. Since there is no SD within 400 miles of me, we swap half the fluid every year, but that is still not as good as changing fluid and bleeding the system.
     
  22. Oengus

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    you need to change gears at higher rpms
     

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