Noticeably faster 360; why?

I cant comment on the 360 but before buying my f430 spider I test drove one (first I ever drove) and it did not empress me, I pushed it to 8500rpm on first and second and did not feel any torque at all, it was fast but you could not feel it. a few months after I bought one online sight unseen and when it was delivered it was way better much more low end torque and faster than the one I drove. Maybe the car has some adaptations or something

 

ECU tuning?

 

It must be a black car!

 

lol one I bought ended up being a Nero on Bordeaux

 

It might have our ECU tuning. Our work definitely makes them 'stronger'.

We developed our tuning from the work we did on my CS.

Send me the VIN and I'll take a look through our records and see.

 

The 99's pull strong too.

 

Maybe Miles.....nice break in and well warmed each time, well maintainedand driven well?
May be like the "infamous" u tube video where some guys had a rental
high mile 360 and it dynoed stronger than a CS with only a few thousand miles on it...

The rental 360 also pulled on the CS on the highway video, wished I could
find and post it, but it may just be some good miles on it. My 360 has 30K
miles and it feels pretty strong, and others have said it is strong running.

 

Maybe you got a car prepared by Ferrari for journalist road tests, those cars always seem to run a little hotter and faster than mainstream production cars.

MB

 

I'm definitely thinking an ECU tune. I had my car professionally tuned and it's amazingly stronger with more low-end torque and a much sharper throttle response. The results are great and the tune is well worth it.

 

Is the car a 99 ?

They have a little bit more oomph then later cars.

 

I'm currently selling a 34k mile car and I feel the same way, It feels stonger, tighter, and overall just better than some other lower mileage 360's I've had in the past. Even after the PPI the tech felt the same way, as his response "some just run better than others." So not sure, but it's great to see these cars driven. We should start a over 30k club and run

 

The Ferrari dealer who helped me with the PPI (I bought the car from his competitor ) told me that my car had a particularly strong engine. It's a 2000 European car with 36,000 miles. So apparently the performance of these cars varies enough to feel it in the seat of your pants.

 

It must be silver....

 

My vote is for properly broken in engine and and regularly driven, with proper maintenance. Sounds simple, but I bet many Ferraris are not broken in properly. They are either excessively babied or run ragged. And then as we all know most have way too few miles, so they have poorly sealed engines due to failing gaskets.

I got the same feedback on mine from the dealer service tech, he said it ran surprisingly strong for a 360. I have a Tubi exhaust and Tubi carbon fiber airboxes, but I am highly skeptical that is the difference. I think, luckily, the car was probably just broken in correctly. It actually probably does have too few miles, it only just crossed 26K. But that still averages a healthy 2K per year whereas some that do half that over their life are probably hurting for a lot of new gaskets.

 

I have owned multiple vehicles of the same year make and model, sometimes you just get an exceptional one. Congrats.

 

Ah, so you are thinking the Monday Ferrari vs. Friday Ferrari?

 

Well maintained car?
Properly timed engine?
No unmetered air leaks?
Properly functioning inlet manifold?

There could be a multitude of reasons why one 360 is faster than another...

 

>> Total Kerb Weight
1. Weight : options (electric seats are heavy vs carbon racing seats, racing exhaust vs stock, stereo, cd changer, toolkit, etc.)
2. Weight : fluids, how much fuel, how much washer fluid (any?), etc.
3. Weight : driver and passenger (!)
4. Weight : other stuff left in the car or front compartment such as tools, satnav's, etc.

>> Engine
5. Engine balancing : each engine was supposed to be balanced to 2.0% tolerances, which equates to 8hp but this can be exagerrated by emissions.
6. Engine running in : as they run in they become more powerful (less friction).
7. Engine exhaust : header cats vs non-header cats manifolds/headers
8. Engine exhaust : stock cats vs euro cats.
9. Engine exhaust : stock exhaust vs performance exhuast
10. Engine mapping : stock mapping vs tuned mapping

>> Maintenance
11. Battery : if the battery is under performing it can dramatically impact performance.
12. Injectors : if the fuel injectors are dirty or not spraying well...
13.Air Filters : if dirty or clogged
14.Fuel Octane/Age : if the octane of fuel is too low.
15.Coil Packs : if ignition coils aren't working well.
16.Spark Plugs : if the plugs are dirty or need replacing.
17.AFM's : if they are misbehaving or dirty and need replacement.
18.O2 Sensors : if they need replacing.
19.Engine Wear : if there is significant wear (rare but possible if oil changes where not adhered to)
20.Bad Earths : if electrical system has bad earth it can reduce power.
21.Throttle Bodies : if they have significant wear or are dirty (could be sticking or slow to respond, fully open/close)
22.Oil Quality : if not using recommended oil, viscosity, etc. increasing drag on oil pump, etc.
23.Logged Faults : if the ecu logs faults it can run badly.

The list goes on...

Finally extent of the blueprinting: There was only a 2% tolerance between 360's when they left the factory (that accounts for upto 8bhp +/- either way), if you got lucky you may have a slight bit more power. This was reduced to 0.5% on the CS which is basically 2hp (nothing in it) between cars through careful selection of pistons and fine balancing final assembly by hand.

 

Cam timing change? I know that all four cam drive pulleys are slotted for adjustment. I just don't know if adjusting the cam timing would cause issues with the ECU.

In the olden days, we used to advance or retard the camshaft timing to gain HP or torque. So if these cams were retarded a bit, more torque. Maybe.

 

Here you go. The torque curve looks pretty flat to me.

Ferrari 360 rental car vs 2 Ferrari Challenge Stradale - YouTube

 

Sometimes you get a great running car! Though don't undermine the potential of the 360, especially if it could have a hidden ECU tune. Fabspeed has been tinkering to get the most performance out of the 360 for many years and in my experience, there is A LOT left on the table. With simple bolt on mods you can easily see an increase in 20-30 ft.lbs of torque and even more hp.

Evan

 

I have the same issue with my F355, but the other way round. I feel that my F35 isn't as strong as a couple of friend's are, and my 360 feels massively stronger, even though it has only 4.000 KM, and the F355 has around 16K KM.
F355 is 6SPD and 360 ia a '04 F1