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Now its official...the horsepower wars are out of hand!

Discussion in 'Other Off Topic Forum' started by 4sfed4, Jan 31, 2004.

  1. 4sfed4

    4sfed4 Karting

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    In the latest Car&Driver, they did a quick test of the new MB SL600.

    Goodness gracious! An automatic transmissioned, convertible boulevard cruiser than runs high 11's @ 120 and 0-60 in 3.6 seconds?

    As much as this sounds cool (it is :D ) I think one would get kicked off most drag strips with a drop top this quick.

    I copied the article and it can be read here if anyone likes.

    Horsepower is good :D

    http://mysite.verizon.net/res1elpe/SL600.jpg
     
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  3. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    It does have a built in pop up roll bar which should suffice for some classes. I dont think the SL600 is about dragging though. More about massive power & luxury
     
  4. ralfabco

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    I remember the U.S. cars when I was in hi-school in the early 1980's. There were virtually no performance options other than stickers, wings, and bogus intakes. The American auto brochures rarely quoted horsepower figures for the engines. Do you remember the 85 mph clocks ? 55 mph was usually marked to stand out from the other #'s.

    I have no problem with luxo-boxes equipped with necessary 180 mph clocks.

    I have a remark about the current horsepower wars: Where do we throw lit matches ?
     
  5. allanlambo

    allanlambo F1 Rookie

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    Hmmm maybe time to convince the wifey she wants a Benzo instead of the 355!
     
  6. TimN88

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    Even in the early to mid 90's only sportscars had over 300hp.
     
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  8. netviper

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    Wow. Now I see why someone would pick a Sl600 over a SL55. For a while I wasn't sure.

    I wonder how much faster the SLR will be?
     
  9. DropGems

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    With 617 hp, 575 lb-ft torque and weighing 3,800 lbs the SLR will most likely blow it's doors off.
     
  10. Auraraptor

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    Teenferrarifan F1 Rookie

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    Auraraptor my friend owns a local MB dealership in SE PA. If you are really serious about an SL600 I will be happy to see what I can do. BTW he is currently driving an SL55 and that car is amazing fast I can only imagine what the 600 must be like. Drop me a pm or email me at Panich53@aol.com
    Erik
     
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  13. Auraraptor

    Auraraptor F1 World Champ
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    Just wondering, is there a 'weakpoint' in the driving range? Does it slow down a bit say 120-150? I want to know if its a straight line car to 60, or sub 120 straight like car like the corvette. Are the gears THAT low? and if so, what is the top speed?

    Teenferrarifan, thanks for the tip, I am going to seriously think about this and then let you know if I bite. The way it is that car puts most everything to shame, let alone the AMG.

    One thing though, that car definately needs better brakes.
     
  14. Auraraptor

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    From: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef09c4c

    Thats an interesting assessment, considering the speed differences are quite large.
     
  15. Tyler

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    The new SL600 is a great car. It doesn't feel drag-racing fast when you're driving it. It does feel smoooooooth. The biggest turn off for me was the excessive amounts of plastic both inside and out.
     
  16. Auraraptor

    Auraraptor F1 World Champ
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    Yea, I would like more stitched leather for that much. In fact stitched leather over everything would be not nice, but is REQUIRED.
     
  17. Tyler

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    Agreed on that!
     
  18. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I dont believe one second. 4.6s ok , but 3.6s ? that would be as fast as a CGT , faster than a Murcielago ...

    Anyway , C&D got 3.3 from the Ford GT...i guess they test all their cars downhill ..

    Something is fishy.
     
  19. 4sfed4

    4sfed4 Karting

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    Lots of low end torque and an automatic trans can do wonders :D

    In fact, every single one of the fastest guys in my Turbo Dodge club use automatics transmissions. When youve got alot of power out of the hole, a manual transmission just cant match a manual due to ease of launch and torque multiplication.

    But, what you will notice (as is the case with the SL600) is that its quarter mile ET/mph does not "match" its 0-60 time in the same way as it would with a manual trans car with less low end.

    The other thing that does sometimes happen with road tests is that the numbers get corrected to standard conditions. When that happens with turbo cars, sometimes the corrections are too generous. I am not sure of Car&Driver's correction policies but I do believe different mags use different corrections as the same cars tested reveal results that vary by enough to make me wonder.

    For instance, Car&Driver tested a Challenge Stradale to a 12.4@115. Road & Track tested the same car to a 12.8@112.5. 0.4 sec and 2.5 mph might not seem like much, but for anyone whos raced at a drag strip, its nearly a lifetime.

    Same goes for the Ford GT. Car & Driver got an 11.6@128 and Road&track posted a 12.2@121.6.

    In my mind, this makes me believe that Road &Track posts actual numbers, while Car&Driver posts corrected numbers. Road &Track always seems to post the ambient conditions at the time of their tests, while Car&Driver doesnt.
     
  20. 95spiderman

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    how does this bode for the 612?
     
  21. 4sfed4

    4sfed4 Karting

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    Ever heard of manufacturer's rebates?

    LOL.
     
  22. LAfun2

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    For those of you impressed by the SL600 and picking it over the SL55 AMG, imagine the upcoming SL65 AMG :D :D :D :D
     
  23. Mitch Alsup

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    It could be as simple as C&D posts the numbers it gets on non-prepaired road surfaces, while R&T posts numbers from a sticky drag race track surface. But this leads into a diatribe about converting drag race times into real-world times (you know what happens on real roads, without burnouts......).......
     
  24. ross

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    like lafun2 said, wait till the sl65 comes out. rumor is bhp edges 700 !!! the current gearbox can't handle the power which is why they are coming out with the 7 gear auto at the end of 04. gotta say, this will blow the doors off many so-called sports cars out there, and doesn't bode well for the 612 or the 575
     

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