O/T Fuel Protests, will it kick off next week?

Dave, had a look on the web, not seen anything about this, got a link?

Ta
Rob

 

I need an economical car to get to work if we have no fuel again.

(I will buy fuel tonight, not panic buying but I am low on petrol).

I am expecting a repeat performance.

 

The panic buying has started, at least in bulk terms, hauliers are topping up their tanks in preperation for the blockades, I tried to order 20,000 litres on TUESDAY for Friday delivery but at the moment I can only get 10,000 which will only last me 3-4 days at best.

Define joke too? At what point do we stand up to the government and say enough is enough? Everyone has their limits Aztec, where do yours lie? £1.10 per litre, £1.30, £1.40? I personally started to get upset at £0.85ppl!
A fuel blockade has a crippling effect on my business, but I am behind it all the way, it HAS to be done now.


......steps down off his soapbox......

 

Problem is, that along with ***s and Alcohol, Fuel is one of the biggest tax revenue earners for the Treasury.

So all public spending is planned on it.

So even if you wanted them to, they couldn't do anything about it anyway.

Might get them to freeze the tax cut they get, but i doubt it, this all helps Gordon Brown reduce the borrowing deficit. Not another Stealth way of taking your money through taxation. Surely Labour wouldn't stoop that low?

So come on, hands up, WHO VOTED LABOUR

 

Going to be interesting times again for us fleet owners. My company fuel bills risen by 1.5k per month in the last couple of years.

 

The trick is Rob it works for our buisness but woudnt yours i supply the six vans but my guys supply their own fuel .Hence only fuel hikes effect one van ,mine

RAY360M

 

Exactly what do these people hope to achieve

The government can’t afford to cut full duty – so that’s not going to happen
The global trading market for gasoline, over which the government has no influence, sets the rest of the price

Unfortunately the Americans are so short of petrol, we might as well get used to high prices for the foreseeable future

 

the Americans have plenty of oil they just want to use other sources first and leave them selves controlling the worlds oil supply. Oil is power!

 

Fuel was about 67 ppl + VAT in January, so taking me for an example using 60,000 litres a month the treasury got £7035 in VAT. Now I am paying 81ppl + VAT so the treasury gets £8505, a difference of £1470 a month EXTRA just from me for doing **** all.Multiply that by the fuel used throughout the country and it is probably millions and millions of pounds of extra revenue. The extra VAT is a nice little windfall for them that they DIDN'T budget for, so there is no reason some concessions could not be made here by the to$$pots by cutting some of the duty

 

Nationalise North Sea Oil and fix the price at 60p per litre - sorted.

Rick

 

Top idea mate

Go and tell Blair

 

I'm no Blair supporter, not by a LONG way, but your argument neither holds water nor addresses the issue.
Simply by buying that amount of fuel per month in the course of business, you are VAT registered, therefore you claim it back as input tax! It is purely a cashflow issue for you awaiting your reclaim, or more likely, reducing the amount you pay in output tax.
Your competitors, Europe-wide have faced the same increases in fuel price that you have, therefore the only answer is to impose a price rise for your service, this naturally will be passed on to the retailer and ultimately the consumer!

The issue is for the Government to reduce the Duty on fuel.

I have the greatest sympathy for the overhead increase your business faces, but it damages the argument to quote irrelevant figures which are quickly shot down in flames by the Green protestors!

 

The slight problem is that you can't run cars on North Sea oil, it's the wrong type of oil!

 

if the goverment did away with speed limits we would all go faster and use even more fuel so more revenue for them

 

I dont think the goverment gives a toss about its people and any protest It was just the same with the poll tax protests that went on in the 90s? The goverment did not give a **** about banners and protesting. But they eventualy did listen, i wonder why......

 

Nope. Think Hazy is in a similar position to myself. Cost of our goods or services is driven back by competition (hear and from abroad)ie price of a case of cucumbers delivered is £3.30 same as it was bck in 1992. Fuel however has risen significantly thereby lowering margins to stupid amounts. Increasing the price of cucumbers would make us uncompetitive and we'd lose our client base. The consumer wins - price of a cucumber in 1992 same as is now.

 

do you sell more cucumbers to men or women ??????????????????

 

We supplied a convent. They had 42 nuns and ordered 1 cucumber a week. How did that work?

 

Yes of course I can claim the VAT back, but whether its vat or duty the government gets the cash. Period. All I am suggesting is that the extra they are gaining on vat could be taken off duty, which would benefit both businesses and private individuals alike.

The figures I quoted are not irrelevant, they are FACT which I used to make a (valid) point. Whichever way you cut it, fuel prices rising (even if it out of the gov't control) generates more money over and above their budget for the treasury.

 

Given that the governments never going to cut expenditure, the money has to come from somewhere, I think most Ferrari drivers would rather pay higher fuel prices than end up paying higher income tax

 

In a very soggy manner after nun number 30 I should think!