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O2 sensors

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by JohnP, Apr 8, 2009.

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  1. JohnP

    JohnP Karting

    Nov 23, 2007
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    Is it ok to run without cats and no O2 sensors. Just take them out and get rid of the wires?
     
  2. frefan

    frefan F1 Veteran

    Apr 21, 2004
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    not a mechanic but its my understanding you want to close loop them?

    i run no cats but with 02s
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #3 Steve Magnusson, Apr 8, 2009
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2009
    No, you need the O2 sensors working on a US version KE-Jet TR (whether you have cats or not) to deal with the condition of high RPM with a closed throttle (i.e. very high intake vacuum and little airflow thru the airflow metering plates). On the F113B (late euro) KE-Jet TR (that doesn't have O2 sensors), they use vacuum limiting valves (VLVs) to deal with this particular conditon -- i.e., if the throttle is closed at high RPM (deceleration), the intake vacuum goes high and opens the VLV which allows air to bypass the throttle plate (so this increases the deflection of the airflow metering plate). The US version TR doesn't have these VLVs, and relies on the O2 sensor feedback to prevent "excessive mixture lean-out" in this deceleration condition.
     
  4. JohnP

    JohnP Karting

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    Thanks Steve, what about an f113b with US ecu's added and O2 sensors?
     
  5. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    If you still have the VLVs in place that would make it more palatable, but I don't know if the difference between the two ecu types is significant for this condition.

    Are you having some "difficulty" that you think will be improved by eliminating the O2 sensors?
     
  6. JohnP

    JohnP Karting

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    I just wanted to remove the added in extras and put the back to the way it was.
     

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