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Odd wire running thorugh 328 engine compartment

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  1. Gloria Giulio

    Gloria Giulio Karting

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    I have recently bought a 328 GTS and noticed a cable running from front to back along the far RHS of the engine compartment. Following it back, it runs under the seal around the luggage compartment and into the RHS corner near the aerial where it disappears in the direction of the light cluster. I cannot get the access cover that side open at present (one of the catches is difficult to move) so I don't know exactly where it goes but the cable is similar to that leading towards the number plate lights. Can anybody tell me if is normally a cable in this position? It seems oddly out of place. Part of the sheath is also damaged and might need a repair.

    Thank

    GG
     
  2. andyww

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    Sounds like the rear deck latch opening cable.
     
  3. 308 milano

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    My Euro QV had a similar cable running from the front of the car to the rear cargo area, it was a power cable from the battery and powered a stereo amp mounted in the luggage area that has since been removed.
     
  4. Gloria Giulio

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    Thanks AndyWW, but I should have been more specific about the car. It is a European LHD so the deck latch opening cable should be on the left hand side, I would imagine. This cable (black) runs along the passenger side. I don't think it is a power cable 308 Milano: there is no sign of a stereo amp ever having been fitted.

    The cable looks electrical and where the black sleeving is damaged I can see what looks like a single core in a colourless or translucent inner sheath. The outer sheath is slightly too big and gives a little when you squeeze it. My best guess without being able to trace it to its root is that it is the power to the interior lights in the luggage compartment (assuming the return is via the chassis). However it seems an odd route to take to reach this location and I'd like to try and confirm that it is supposed to be here, or find out where it should be a reposition it correctly.
     
  5. andyww

    andyww F1 Rookie

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    Oops yes of course, the latch cable would be on the left on LHD (ie most) cars.

    Which side is the antenna on?
     
  6. Gloria Giulio

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    I think the antenna is on the the right and a mechanic, when I pointed it out, made the same suggestion. I've eliminated it now, however, as the antenna cable feels much thicker and firmer than the cable that is puzzling me.
     
  7. DGS

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    On a US LHD model 328, the engine management cluster, including the Bosch Lambda (O2 sensor) controller, is under the storage compartment floor on the right side.
    (The ignition computer is under a similar panel on the left side.)

    There's a cable and connector stuffed up behind the air filter near the antenna that leads to the Lambda loop.
    This is the connector that gets unplugged to test the engine in "open loop" emissions.

    Whether your Euro model would have the Lamba loop may depend on what country it was originally built for.
    Does your 328 have the buzzing lambda pressure regulator?
     
  8. Gloria Giulio

    Gloria Giulio Karting

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    I'd need to check back to be certain as I don't have access to the car right now but from recollection the cable does not lead to an obvious connector it simply disappears towards the passenger compartment. The car is a 1987 French version. I am not aware of the lambda pressure regulator but that is probably a matter of ignorance.
     
  9. nerofer

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    There was only one 328 version for all the european markets: any european 328, be it Italian, French, German, Spanish, Belgian etc...is of the same version/model; their VIN begin with ZFFWA20B...even if there are very small differences from market to market (yellow lights for the french cars, a muffler slightly more muted for the german cars (different part number), etc...

    From 1987 onwards, the swiss cars began to be different as these received catalysators (VIN is ZFFWA20C...); then, very shortly after that, the swedish market cars received catalysators, then the austrian cars, etc...and in 1989, cars fitted with cats (i.e, the swiss model) were sold aside non-cats cars in Germany.

    But the french, italian, belgian, almost all german cars, the U.K cars (yes, these are RHD) are not catalysed. I'm a bit dumb about electrics and engine management systems, but it seems to me that the lambda controller (02 sensor) could be peculiar to cars fitted with cats only?
    And therefore not applicable to european standard model ?
     
  10. vaccarella

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    Correct, lambda goes with a cat. I have a swiss market Integrale from that era and removed both as cats were not required for UK (and most of Europe I believe) until 1993.
     
  11. Gloria Giulio

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    Thanks vacarella and nerofer. My car fits into the standard European category, with a VIN beginning with ZFFWA20B, so no lamdba and no lambda cable. Are there generally any cables running across European LHD 328s on the far right-hand side of the engine compartment?
     
  12. nerofer

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    I don't have any of my two cars at hand right now, but from memory, I can't remember any cable on that side, except the cables for the radio antenna (which is a Bosch Autojet II on both my '89 cars).

    Rgds
     
  13. Gloria Giulio

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    #13 Gloria Giulio, Jun 12, 2013
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    My car is not to hand either. I have found a picture of the engine bay in which the cable is just about visible, which I am attaching. It runs from front to back, to the right of the yellow Pozzi sticker. There is a short white strip at the top RH corner of the yellow sticker where the sheath has been damaged. Any ideas?
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  14. nerofer

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    No, no idea, sorry...neither of my 328s (GTS is late February 89, GTB beginning April 89) has any cable here. And my "B" is a Pozzi car...

    Rgds
     
  15. ME308

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    either you have to follow it
    or just cut it...and see what happens :D
     
  16. nerofer

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    Maybe it's part of the sensor device for the "check timing belts, time to change them" warning light?
     
  17. vaccarella

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    After market alarm installation, connected to engine cover latch?
     
  18. Gloria Giulio

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    As far as I am aware there is no aftermarket alarm -- and the belts needed changing but the light never came on. As ME308 suggests I need to follow it back and see where it goes next time I have access to the car.
     
  19. vaccarella

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    It could very easily have been installed, then ripped out when it malfunctioned. They are usually the last thing to go in and the first to come out.

    Otherwise it could be old immobiliser wiring rather than an alarm.
     
  20. Gloria Giulio

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    You may be right. I have just noted that one of the repair invoices from a couple of years ago includes "suppression systeme alarme" which I take to be french for alarm system removal. No way of finding out until I get back to the car, but I will post when I have more information.
     
  21. vaccarella

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    Bingo. They rarely bother to chop out all the wiring (and there's often many many metres of it, much of it dummy, since it's the only way to properly fox intruders).
     
  22. Gloria Giulio

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    Vaccarella, you were spot on. I was able to check this out last week. There is a switch under the rear engine cover that is activated with the cover locked down. I've chopped the wiring out to the point where it disappears into the cabin with no ill effect. Where would the alarm control unit normally have been situated? I want to find the rest of the alarm wiring if I can and remove it -- there is another switch for the front bonnet with wiring still in place.
     
  23. FasterIsBetter

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    If it is, indeed, an alarm system as you suspect, be careful about just cutting wires if you located the unit. If it is still wired into the system, although deactivated, cutting it out could cause problems. Trace out the wires before taking a wire cutter to them and make sure that you won't end up disabling the ignition system in the process. If you are not sure, take it to an alarm installer and have it properly removed. Usually, the control units are up front, possibly under the spare tire well liner, but could be under the dash or under the floor plate on the passenger's side of the car (328, QV(?).).
     
  24. Gloria Giulio

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    The alarm system has already been removed but some of the wiring obviously remains. I'd like to know where I am tracking it back to. Cutting out the cable does not seem to have had any effect so far.

    GG
     
  25. FasterIsBetter

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    I only raised the issue because I've had this problem before. Although I was told the system was removed, it was not. It was simply disabled. When I started cutting wires, I found the car was dead. Turned out that the ignition was still running through the alarm system. It took a pro the better part of a day to trace all the wiring down, remove the rat's nest, and restore the ignition wiring to its proper state. Yours may be different, but it's worth checking before you keep cutting, in my humble opinion.
     

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