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OEM 430 Airboxes DON'T FIT a SCUD

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  1. RichardCH

    RichardCH F1 Rookie
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    OEM 430 Airboxes DON'T FIT a SCUD, I'm trying to make my SCUD sound as good as my 430 Spider and wanted to add OEM 430 airboxes but unfortunately they don't fit as the end appertures are a few mm wider on the air intake receivers. BMC airfilters coming next week they will help but otherwise need to change the Cats as well.
     
  2. F430addict

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    Huh? I always thought the scuderia airbox were far superior to the stock 430 air boxes. What's wrong with what you've got?
     
  3. RichardCH

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    Well the SCUD airboxes have slightly higher swept volume but I tried some on my 430 Spider a year ago and amongst other things they sounded crap as they don't have the "horns" which the OEM 430 ones do and obviously positively affect the acoustics of the car
     
  4. RichardCH

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    #4 RichardCH, Jan 29, 2011
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    Seriously I fire up the 430 spider and it "Barks big time" the SCUD doesn't and the SCUD with valve open is quieter than the CS, I'm frankly LOST and my SCUD exhaust valves are working fine
     
  5. Russell996

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    I've just traded up from regular 430 to 16m, the 16m is much louder. Are you sure all is well with the scud exhaust valves etc?
     
  6. RichardCH

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    Yep I have the diffuser off as (as apart from the fins and the grills) its being painted bianco avus, I just pulled the exhaust valve pipes off so they are open all the time and that is obviously louder but has less comparison to a tractor than the CS is with exhaust valves fully open on tickover
     
  7. RichardCH

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    #7 RichardCH, Jan 29, 2011
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    watch this vid; obviously when its finally set on launch its ok but listen to weak knee'd start up (twice)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDpKeJHvLAs&NR=1&feature=fvwp[/ame]
     
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    Can you post a video so that we can evaluate what's wrong with the sound of your Scud?
     
  10. RichardCH

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    well it sounds exactly like the one in the Vid in you tube on start up, weak ...compared to a 430, its pathetic
     
  11. Senna1994

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    Is that the guy from the Hangover?
     
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    My F430 barks only at cold start which makes sence as the car always starts in open loop mode to heat up the cats as fast as possible. Also, the A/F mixture will be greatly enriched which makes also the car "backing". Although, when I start the car with a warm engine, it will not bark at all which makes sence.

    The big difference at cold start between the F430 and the Scud is that the Scud uses an air pump to inject fresh air directly into the headers which is another way to heat up the cats faster. I'm pretty much sure that the Scud barks less because of such air injection system is used.

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  13. RichardCH

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    Ok very helpful, you have fantastic technical knowledge StefVan, but it won't echo through the streets of Zürich and beyond as it should, even with exhaust valve fully open above 8,000 rpm noise wise its much duller/basey (sound wise), than either my 430 spider or CS. After the BMC air filters, I'm currently axed to some X-Ost Cats but from experience these will add more dull BASE than SCREAM
     
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    What is open loop mode? Thanks.

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    Mike, open loop mode is the mode in which the Motronic operates without feedback from the oxygen sensor while the engine is in the cold running condition. During this period, the oxygen sensor isn't yet able to supply reliable data to the computer for controlling the air/fuel mix ratio because the engine isn't yet warmed up. So mix control is handled by a program stored in computer memory.

    ;) Stef
     
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    Thanks Richard. I agree, it won't echo from Zurich to Montreux :) Through your posts, I can feel your disappointment and frustration with the Scud, sorry. Did you ever test drove other Scuds before? If you did, how was the sound? At 8.000 rpm, the Scud should scream like hell. And if I'm not mistaken, the European Scud, just like the F430, doesn't even have the precats in the headers what make them scream even more than the US versions. I had the chance to drive several Scuds and in the tunnels, it was blowing my ears! Much lower than my F430, especially the 16M.
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  17. RichardCH

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    I had never driven a SCUD until I picked mine up, I was so convinced it would be the ultimate combo of my tuned 430 spider and the CS, with the larger engine (than CS), however having actually listened to several youtube Vids it seems as though the SCUD not only is without BARK on start up but has a much duller sound that either the 430 Spider or CS at high Rpm. Lets see how I can modify the f*cker, its fast without doubt, but so is my 620 Bhp 996 Turbo and thats not the point
     
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    620 hp!!! Ouff, it looks like you put your 996 in the hands of Techart ;)

    Regarding your Scud, I would talk to Antonio Capristo. He's really the man in terms of tuning engine sound and his work is really state of art. I'm sure he would be able to create a custom exhaust just as you like. He did it already for others. Drop him an email : [email protected].

    And have a look to his videos where his new exhaust makes a hell of a noice on a Scud! If you want lound, well, this is crazy loud ;)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIApbTGDgrE[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDtCKjKx2K8[/ame]
    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Capristoexhaust#p/u/0/qu95SSMYbOw
     
  19. Driftracer3

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    Swapping minor parts (such as the airboxes) wont do anything significant. You just need to get high flow cats or test pipes and a good exhaust. Ive heard several systems in person and I can tell you some are significantly louder (and better sounding) than stock.
     
  20. F430addict

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    Headers, test pipes and a capristo twin sound n a stock F430 will put a scud or 16m to shame anytime...sound wise I mean.
     
  21. F430addict

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    Richard, one question for you. If the stock air box with air horns is that good, then why do the aftermarket carbon air box covers omit them? Fabrication issues? Reason for me asking is because I'm about to pull the trigger on a set but noticed it does not come witness the horns.
     
  22. RichardCH

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    Simply fabrication issues I guess as the horn is tricky and expensive to add in carbon fibre
     
  23. F430addict

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    So best to stick to a tock air box covers? Not worth the aesthetic value.
     
  24. RichardCH

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    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
     
  25. Russell996

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    Ferrari's own carbon upgrade does have the horns, looks wonderful and still works as it should - costly though!
     

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