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Discussion in 'F1' started by Ferraripilot, Dec 26, 2012.

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  1. TifosiUSA

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    #176 TifosiUSA, Feb 1, 2013
    One of the uglier Ferraris in history. Hopefully it's fast...
     
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    #177 Ferraripilot, Feb 1, 2013
    I'm wondering if they kept the upright radiators. By the look of it they could have gone either way.

    Ferrari's gearbox and rear suspension pickups are not as low as Mclaren's.

    The ferrari rear wing uprights are pretty evolved looking, interesting how they're interested in flow conditioning that air flow.

    The front wing still has me floored above all else though, very impressive. 6 or 7 outer elements with 3-4 split inboard. That wing will be very stable indeed.

    I guess I'm a bit surprised ferrari unveiled such a developed car. It almost seems like they won't have much else to show by Barcelona. Someone will break 1:20 I'm Barcelona during preseason testing though, count on it. These cars from ferrari and mclaren are really impressive so far.
     
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    #178 TifosiUSA, Feb 1, 2013
    Difference is, Alonso >>>>> Jenson or Perez

    Give the man a car that's fast from the start and he'll walk the WDC...
     
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    #179 NJB13, Feb 1, 2013
    My first impression is this is a dam nice looking car. A bit more black in the livery, but overall, a really nice look to this car.

    Definitely more room under the nose and different front pylons.
    The rear is definitely tighter with cleaner more defined coke-bottle everyone talks about. Added to this the rear suspension has been moved to clear the way for airflow. Rear beam looks different (wider and sculpted). Interesting the new fins that run top to bottom at the rear of the rear wing. Seem to be pointing outwards so I'm guessing this is to allow greater escape of airflow and lower pressure to provide more down-force and possibly to clean up air at DRS deployment. This is new and I'm surprised they would show it at the launch.

    At first impression the car looks the same, but, there are quite a lot of differences.

    Interesting to not the sidepods look very F2012 and I'm guessing they still have the vertical cooling and that they are venting around exhaust - Ferrari still walking a different path to everyone else here I think. Lets hope we see that really start working this year.
     
  5. Ferraripilot

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    #180 Ferraripilot, Feb 1, 2013
    Agreed. Still unsure regarding verticle cooling. Looks like a very promosing car though.

    Still I believe Mclaren have an utterly magnificent machine and regardless of Jenny and Chico driving I believe they will be very tough to beat.

    Here's what concerns me. Neither Lotus, Ferrari, Mclaren have gone with a tunnel and ramp type exhaust configuration which is believed to be a superior solution. I believe W04 will have the red bull config.
     
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    #181 NeuroBeaker, Feb 1, 2013
    I'm not convinced at all by Perez, but I think Button is a top driver. Maybe he'll be a title contender this year. :)

    All the best,
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  7. Ferraripilot

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    #182 Ferraripilot, Feb 1, 2013
    Waiting for the jury to come back so I have a good bit of time now!



    All eyes on Red Bull and Mercedes now.

    I believe RB9 will not be as changed as the Mclaren and Ferrari. And I believe W04 will be in essence W03 with Red Bull and Mclaren components pasted on.
     
  8. DF1

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    FRA - nice city with a really big airport :)
    #183 DF1, Feb 2, 2013
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    #184 Ferraripilot, Feb 2, 2013
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    The step in laminar flow from the sidepod top to the exhaust system concerns me. Mclaren started their system somewhat like this last year but ultimately found as we can see with late 27 and now 28 that the transition of flow to the exhaust is about seemless ie. no step. It can also clearly be seen in the new Ferrari that the flow transition to the exhaust is minus any brakes.

    The new Sauber's sidepods opted for what is essentially no undercut around the sidepods/floor area which causes that area to be slightly larger, and this packaging is probably why they could not further tighten the sidepod transition to the exhaust. I actually believe the exhaust almost looks like an afterthought with the way everything else around it is designed.

    Sharp looking car otherwise.
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    #186 ricksb, Feb 2, 2013
    Trying to find the early reveal of the car...I'm counting on you to scoop the media.

    Sharp helmet for Hamilton...
     
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    #187 GordonC, Feb 2, 2013
    The Sauber is interesting! It looks like they've lowered the chassis footwell area and the nose as well, to eliminate the step - essentially gone for the MP-27 front chassis configuration, and meanwhile McLaren have gone away from that to the higher chassis like Sauber etc ran last year!

    It also looks like the new Sauber nose cone is not just lower but shorter, and they've really cantilevered the front wing out there.
     
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    #188 ricksb, Feb 2, 2013
    That exhaust looks like it will be blowing on the rear suspension based on exit position (I'm certain it won't, but it does look suspicious).
     
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    #189 Ferraripilot, Feb 2, 2013
    I will be retweeting their release message to move W04s opening along. Mercedes have some 185k followers so it shouldn't take long to reach whatever number they're after.


    Agreed. Laminar flow around the apex of the sidepods appears it would have more of an affect than flow coming over the sidepods, which is how everyone else does it. I'm sure CFD shows something we cannot see and there is reason behind it but I, like you remain skeptical.
     
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    #190 Igor Ound, Feb 2, 2013
    That nose will create a nice little vortex for the air intake
     
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    #192 Ferraripilot, Feb 2, 2013
    The garage door for W04 has partially opened. I have seen an enhanced pic, pending if it's real or not.......
     
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    #193 DeSoto, Feb 2, 2013
    Mmmm, are you sure about this? I think the Sauber looks like it has not undercuts just because the whole sidepods are narrower.

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    Sauber C32 launch: Sergio Perez's Monaco crash inspired sidepods - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

    Chief designer Matt Morris revealed at Saturday's launch of Sauber's 2013 Formula 1 car that Perez's side-on impact with the wall at the chicane at just over 60mph made the team realise that it was possible to reduce the width of the sidepods by almost 50 per cent.
     
  19. Ferraripilot

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    #194 Ferraripilot, Feb 2, 2013

    They reduced the width but they have no undercut at the floor. That area is important is it feeds the top of the diffuser. As I said before, they must see something in the CFD that makes sense
     
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    #195 DF1, Feb 2, 2013
    They wont know how much 'sense' until its at speed on the full size car soon! I hope to see them have a strong season again this year.
     
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    #196 Fast_ian, Feb 2, 2013
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    No sir! Not even close to it.....

    Here's a pretty good image that illustrates. Modelled in Fluent @ ~180mph. The air roughly 300mm above the step (still lower than the airbox of course) is totally unaware of the step.

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  22. DeSoto

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    #197 DeSoto, Feb 2, 2013
    Oh, I thought you were talking about the recess in the lower part of the sidepods.

    Quite impressive that they managed to make such a narrow car.
     
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    #198 furmano, Feb 2, 2013
    Still, doesn't the red area represent drag, or maybe a high pressure zone? I still don't get how a notched nose is no worse aerodynamically than smooth nose.

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    #199 Fast_ian, Feb 2, 2013
    Red is indeed high pressure. Given it's vector it's also generating a little D/F - Whether it's worth the added drag is another Q of course.

    OTOH, Fauxtus (?) are claiming a little aero benefit from their vanity panel. Certainly an area in which they don't all yet agree.

    Anyway, the point was it's not disturbing the airbox intake. ;)

    Cheers,
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    #200 NeuroBeaker, Feb 2, 2013
    Well, if the air doesn't hit that point, it's going to hit the driver's helmet in a few feet anyway. Perhaps that's why it has no significant overall effect? Would creating a high pressure point above the nose actually give a tiny amount of front down-force?

    All the best,
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