To give it more perspective, add the Lamborghini build numbers in. Especially the ones from the same time period. The Countach and Diablo would rank near the GT4.
yes, and I had a very early Series One car too. Big deal, i did not like it. I paid $13k for it and it had a rebuilt engine and trans by a famous Ferrari guy in Stuart Florida. Car would bark 2nd gear when you shifted. Looky at the Ferrari VINs in my profile for proof. The GT4 is neat, but its not worth $30k to me now, much less more than many other better cars in the 10 year future as the OP proposed. You guys on this board need to remember there is more to life and cars than Ferrari. Or if you want to drive weird slow stuff be my guest, you can buy too many better cars for $30k + cash. Many younger people dont care at all about cars, so who is going to keep wasting money on the 206/246, much less the GT4? I am 41 and in school for a Masters. i am amazed at how different the men and women are just 10 or 15 years younger than me. I have actually owned the cars i discuss here on Ferrarichat. Unlike some of the keyboard cowboys on here. ( not directed at you Full Garage) i hope we are still here as a country in 10 years to debate this.
Meh, it's all speculation. I have no idea what these things will be worth, and I don't care, as I hope to be able to keep it for a long time (along with a few other F-cars if I am lucky). I am lucky enough to own one, and am happy to drive it. That's all that matters anyway.
+1 I love my little dino! Everyone that sees it or rides in it loves it as well! And regarding the younger generation... I've taken a 24 year old co-worker out in mine a couple times and she was/is as excited about this little Ferrari as I was when I was here age about 308GTB/Ss. They still turn heads and make people gaga. Especially the little GT4 since they are so seldomly seen on the roads. -c
I agree, the Enzo era cars (cars built when he was alive) will become the most collectible. I will certainly try to collect as many as possible. At one stage the original Dino's were not great sellers, look where they are now. Numbers built and inability to work on them will go against most modern ferrari's and I just feel Ferrari has cheapened the brand with stores popping up on high streets selling Ferrari pens , pants and toilet roll holders etc modern Ferrari's just dont have that same magic or mystic.
That may be right, but I'm a bit worried about the dramatic increase in value, the 206/246 Dino's have, not only because of driving a expansive car, it's more about speculation. You sad: "I will try to collect as many as possible?" Did you ever thought about storing that many cars ... which cars would you like to buy?
Yeah of course- no offense... We're after the same things my friend- cool driveable classic cars and great Les Pauls. I totally get how a 308GT4- a GREAT one priced in the high $30Ks doesn't appeal to you when there are all manner of $30K American Muscle cars around, (Hell my 65 Mustang fastback was $30K and it's completely restored) but the Gt4 has a particular driving dynamic that i have not encountered in any other Ferrari, and I like the way it looks. Like you I am ALWAYS looking for the next car, and right now my two top candidates are a BB and ANOTHER Gt4.
Your dead on with the guys in their 20's and 30's. They care more about their hair gel and how many pair of True Religion jeans they have. A car is just something to be seen in like an accessory handbag is for a girl. Beyond that a car is just a thing to add accessories to: stereo, DVD players, wheels, wings, carbon fiber crap etc. This crowd wants the LATEST most expensive car they can be SEEN in and that's it. I don't see any of these guys suddenly appreciating ANY old Ferrari. What of old Delhaye or Stanley Steamers or Bugatti's old cars? What kind of civilization will these kids produce? The ones that like an old Ferrari will die and nobody will replace them. Sounds cryptic but this is how I see it. If you love the GT4 or any old car get your money's worth by driving it TODAY.
If performance and driving dynamics were the sole criteria for designating a car valuable or desirable, the Lamborghini Miura would not be where it is today...sex sells. And I think long term, more and more people will find the GT4 sexy.
Anything over 1000 is not rare. All that chart tells me is that none of them are 'rare'. A lime green pacer with levis interior and slant 6 is incredibly rare, probably 2 or 3 ever built. But, who cares? Rear =/ desirable. The car already has to be desirable for rarity to play a part, the whole supply/demand equation. It doesn't matter how low the supply is if there is no demand. I don't know how the value thing will play out, I never would pay more for a 206 or 246 than a BB, but then the 206/246 has always been considered a beautiful car. The gt/4? Not so much. I could not see paying more for a gt/4 than a 360. Ever. I also couldn't see paying more for one than a TR, BB, 3x8, 355 or any other cars that are at or below the 360's value. I couldn't even see paying within 10k of any of those cars for one. If I wanted a 2+2, I would get a 365 gt4 2+2, 400i, 412 or 456 before a GT/4. It is a good entry level Ferrari, but the only Ferrari I wouldn't pay more for would be a Mondial.
Horse crap. I'm in my 30's and would take a 275 gtb/4, daytona or any 60's 2 seater 250 over any of the newer cars, including the 458 and f12. I also bought a 355, not to be seen in, but because it has the best combination of looks, performance and driving experience of any of the cars that were under $100k. To me, a Ferrari has a flowing, sensual shape, not a Bertone wedge. I don't care how good a gt/4 you have, it will never look as good as 355 - or 360 for that matter. It's the typical "my generation is better than the next generation" crap that everybody thinks. And, as equally typical, it's false.
A GT4 is a great shape, it is like a more refined stratos. the word is they drive better than a 308 too. The thing about these cars is finding a good one. The purity of shape only really hits in the euro version. Plus the joy of driving them comes from those high lift cams, once again a Euro version. So yeah find a great running un-rusty euro GT4 and you have an awesome car, thing is find one, they dont really exist. Its sort of a holy grail sleeper, like a euro glass 308. Set up that way these cars are a unique experience and very viceral.
+1 The early series 1 US cars had the Euro cams and other bits and pieces... There will always be someone who will appreciate these cars. Good ones are out there but you have to pay. When I was driving in the summer I pulled up to a stop light and the kid beside me had his window down. He looked over and said "Hey, is that a 1975 Dino 308 GT4?" Those who know, know...
I've had both. I actually haven't found that to be the case, the GTB feels a little more nimble to me, but there's not much in it. Basically they're so close to identical to drive that it doesn't matter But what a terrific design the GT4 is.SOOOOOOO much more room and usability than a GTS/GTB. I really enjoyed my time with my GT4, and would still have it today if a girl driving and texting hadn't run into it while it was parked and turned it into a banana.
I was throwing out some old papers this past weekend and I found some old printouts of online ads for Ferraris, I think from the FML. Probably 98 or 97 but not earlier because I didn't even own a computer until 97. There were 246 Dinos mixed in with 328's. The Dinos were all in the 50 thousands - same as the 328's. So who knows...
I don't think we'll ever see GT4's priced like "real' Dinos- no way. Lot's of unique things that will make GT4's valuable in the future- First Mid Engined V8 Ferrari First (Only) Bertone Bodies Ferrari Many doomed by low market value- cars modded, cut, destroyed... Real original perfect cars will (eventually) be next to impossible to find. Value is NOT helped by oddball period styling and back seats.
Was in the driver seat of my first drive in a gt/4 today for a bit. Nice car, makes the right noises, and is very nibble. Anyone looking at a first Ferrari , or v8 carb Ferrari are truly missing out on this hidden gem. Buy a dead one for 20 grand and spend the 40k to rebuild the engine and suspension, the hell with the paint an interior. Best bang for the buck in the Ferrari world next to the Testarossa right now.
Mostly GT4 owners seem to be chiming in and maybe all this is true but most Ferrari folks will always see the GT4 as an odd duck. I think it's a cool car but I haven't had a lot of interest in owning one personally and can't see that magically changing... or at least any time soon. If I were to get a Bertone car, I'd want a Lamborghini, especially with other Ferrari's to choose from. They will continue to rise in value because they are a Ferrari and they are gaining years, just like most all Ferrari's. The cars of the 70s and 80s are climbing due to the generation. People that grew up then are getting older and obtaining money to buy what they always wanted. Just like the early 308's GTS/GTB cars are climbing fairly quickly as well. Ferrari's of the 90's and early 00's are depreciating as the 80's cars did a decade or so ago. It's always the same cycle. GT4's were made in low numbers because they were seen at the time as a disappointment after the 206/246 and their design wasn't well received... they didn't have a big demand for them. They are coming up in value because they are getting older and yes, becoming "cool" but I doubt they'll ever be seen as one of the more valued Ferrari's in comparison to most.
One thing many of you are all forgetting. The old Ferrari club of the 250 lusso, the 275, the Daytona , the c/4 are all out of reach for any car guy ! It's no wonder the Dino have taken off and the 308 gtb early car are climbing.....the gt/4 will climb just out of default. Anyone want an older carb Ferrari will have little to choose from in the kitty litter. We are already seeing this with some 70s Porsche's Finding a decent gt/4 is hard enough, finding a complete one with origianl books and tools is like finding the holly grail .... Many of these cars have been chopped/ ditched and redone to inferior standards. Great bank for the buck for a carb Ferrari v8 - this car will have it 30 seconds of fame , and its coming in due time.
I've met plenty of serious car guys currently in their 20s and 30s. The proportion of non-car to car people in that category seems to be about the same as in my 55 to 65 age group. Bottom line is that real car people are a minority anywhere you look. Agree on the generational thing - I've caught plenty of crap on here just for happening to have been born after 1945 and before 1965.
