OFFICIAL FERRARI F12 TDF PICTURE THREAD

Thank you Oliver. I like both very much... but perhaps not so much to move me away from the blue army.

 

Blue is great. Thanks Chalstrad !

 

You are more than welcome to look an the paint on my car.

 

English is not my first language so I'm not sure to have understand your point... I say this because I'm interested in your opinion about what i said about the atelier

 

What you say ist absolutely correct. One has to make a choice. A standard colour and get the car quick or wait. One thing to factor in is that by the time you get your tailor made car they have brought out something new. The new F12 M will be awesome. Be sure of that. And it won't be long before the 488 comes in a track version.

When you buy lots of cars every year of various manufacturers the novelty of the super personal spec gets less. Once you have done it a few times you get more pragmatic. Anyway I did. Admit that going through the process at tailor made and the great folks at MSO and at Porsche exklusiv is a experience one should not miss. However so many new models come out now one can spend an awful lots of time in the studio! Prefer being the wheel time! Was driving my Gullwing today! In the fifties it was about 10 colors, 6 leather options and the wildest spec was the under the bonnet chrome option!

 

I know you own the "Holly trinity" + the ferraris listed in your profile details (Can you ad the Tdf ? ahah the list must be complete !)

Are there some pictures somewhere of you others ferraris ?

Thanks !

 

Olivier the main point is that only Ferrari can do the custom work on a Ferrari and have the car accepted by others in the market place as an "official Ferrari" product. Yes you could get the Ferrari painted another color or replace the leather with something else for less money and perhaps more quickly by an independent garage. However in the future Ferrari would not accept the car as 'their' car after it had been modified.
As Bigthree notes all the special car manufacturers now offer personal choice options to make the car unique. Rolls Royce for example offers 44,000 different paint colors. It is all about building something unique. Yes they do sell pink Rolls Royces.
The buyer for very expensive cars typically owns 10 to 60 other cars and has 6 to 12 homes around the world. These buyers simply work with the factory to get what they want and don't want to waste time with independent custom shops. Cost is simply not a concern for them. Merci!

 

I get it

 

That sounds like a horrible idea. Imagine trying to co ordinate it all with the different shops. Imagine trying to get the right paint codes and leather samples etc. Imagine if one of them is done wrong. The amount of time it would take would probably be well over 12 months by the time you would see your car and costs quickly sky rocket. When modifying a car always double the amount of time you think it will realistically take and triple the costs.

Plus cars have a certain feel to them that you can't replicate. It's like most restored cars loose this because it wasn't done by the factory and you would have a modified/hot rod/fast and furious feel.

Plus look at most after market paint jobs 3 to 5 years later. The front bar is all stone chipped, clear coat peeling off in most areas especially if windscreens weren't taken out.

Plus the cost of standard Ferrari plus modifications would be a lot more than tailor made. $50k for a colour from factory is cheaper than a glass our pristine paint job. Say someone cracks a windshield or has to get new windscreens and seals.

The DNA/ethos of Ferrari was captured by enzo paraphrasing that he doesn't care about door gaps as long the drivers craps himself when he steps on the gas pedal. Turning into a Bugatti/rolls Royce finishes kind of kills the racing DNA of Ferrari.

Everyone thinks they can do a better job than the factory but they 10x the amount of engineers of every little bit of an area than any workshop can when engineering a product. Plus the factory understand how every thing ties in together and therefore the engineering blends with all areas of the car. Aftermarket stuff is great in the short term but usually rubbish in the long term. Aftermarket just simply doesn't have the level of depth that the factory can provide. (Unless you are completely restoring a 50+ year old car or creating a race car. But even then rarely can privateers beat factory teams.)

The old adage applies; if you think hiring an expert is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur.

 

You are correct TDF and 488 Spider are missing! In December there were many pics of the tdf

 

Not true. I have repainted a limited edition Ferrari outside of the factory and have never been criticized for it. I also got the Classiche certification after having done so. The only similarity is that I used official Ferrari colours.

 

You are correct TDF and 488 Spider are missing! In December there were many pics of the tdf

 

Sorry but I can't agree here. You generalize in a terrible way in which only the factory and official is good, all the rest is evil.

You say everyone thinks they can do a better job than the factory but I say it is actually the other way round: common belief is that factory does the greatest job possible and external independents are not well considered... Reality is that factory/Zanassi/official perform generic work and there are professionals out there who can make it notably better.

I agree Tailor Made program is great because they give you the whole pack from start to finish, but say someone wants simply a special colour and the most utterly perfect paint job possible, I believe there are independent professionals who will do better.

 

Very interesting... What car was that ?

 

This.

 

Apologies if this offends. Much love to you both. It was merely a case of verbal diaherra. I have found in my experience of owning multiple sports cars that aftermarket rarely matches factory. Once I start my Ferrari collection, I might reconsider.

 

Thank you for that!
Interesting details Peter but Ferrari obviously likes you...

Does this mean we will see a blue Spider in the future?

 

No offense taken! I on the other hand appreciate most aftermarket efforts and believe Ferrari, as special as it is and as much as we love it, has to manufacture a relatively generic product so there is ALWAYS room for improvement, be it in performance numbers, paint finish, whatever measurable. Only aspect where no improvement is possible is in driving emotion, stock as it comes...

 

599 GTO

 

No offense taken at all !

I agree with you that there is some magic with a factory car, a kind of general harmony that is difficult to recreate.

In fact I said what I said when I read Traveller's and other people problems ... when it turn to a nightmare just for a paint, you can go elsewhere

 

Really ? Your TDF GTO with a wide white stripe on the hood didn't come like that from the factory ?

 

If one looks at the vintage car market one has the situation that about 12 years ago none of the factories were really supporting their vintage cars with a classiche department. To give an example taking vintage Aston Martins. One can debate if Aston Works service or RS Williams will do a better job restoring a vintage car. One cannot say that RS Williams has less knowledge than the factory. Same applies to Ferrari. There are some pretty good independents out there who delivery 100% quality.

It is only recently that manufacturers have seen this as an additional source of revenue. But they had to learn as well to do the work as the people who knew the vintage cars were long gone.

Auto manufacturers sub contract alot of a cars components to suppliers. Are the tailor made paint jobs even done in the factory. Would be economically silly as it makes more sense to do one off colours in a specialist department be it a special team in the factory or outside.

Just look what Christiano Michelotto does for the factory. What is correct is especially on modern cars the value of the car will do better with a factory or factory condoned paint job. I will leave it up to you to decide if that is justified or not. But quality wise there probably is not much of a difference if you go to a top shop.

 

Blue Spider ! Blue Spider !!! BLUE SPIDER !!!!!