OFFICIAL FERRARI SUCKS THREAD ***WARNING: Spoilers & Truth May Hurt***

Mercedes got it right and thats great for them but not allowing other teams to test is like not allowing a football team to practice. A lesser team that practices hard can catch up and is deserving of that based on the effort they put forth.

 

I think it's Ferrari that insisted on a V6 configuration ("We, at Ferrari don't do 4-cylinder engine!).
All engine manufacturers insisted on introducting the hybrid systems to be "relevant", and Honda made it a condition for its return !!!
It maybe that Mercedes inspired the token system for cost saving; it was accepted to prevent an arms race.
The ban on testing was already existing.

 

Exactly !

 

It's hilarious. Who do they think they're fooling?

Ferrari will be VERY lucky to win a race this year.

 

I think all the criticism has merit. It's painfully obvious to me that at this point, Ferrari is about 1/2 sec to 1 sec behind Merc per lap. That is the truth. If the OP wants to stop watching races, I get it - who wants to see their team lose? - But I will still watch, because I enjoy the sport. I enjoy rooting for my team. I enjoy even more as a owner of the marque, shareholder, and enthusiast. This is not different then any sport - you'll have times of drought. Nothing new. The amazing thing about Ferrari, is unlike other sports - I have vested interests beyond geographical tribalism.

I must question the real 'loyalty' of the OP by proclaiming "Ferrari Sucks" in a thread - while he says he is a fan and will be loyal to the team - saying your team 'sucks' doesn't seem to me the best way to show support. On the contrary - it appears to be the epitome of a "fair weather fan." Discussion on how to improve the team is, of course, a positive thing - denigrating Ferrari and saying you're not watching anymore doesn't move the ball forward.
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Perfectly said.

You are correct but it would be nice if that wasn't the case.

 

I just want to know what Merc knows that EVERYBODY ELSE can't figure out. I don't believe for a second that we've even seen the true potential of that car. Unless there's a crash or further mechanical issues, they shouldn't lose a race all year. I think they're actually more dominant than last so far. The car looks like it's on rails. You just don't see those guys fighting the car like everyone else. Quiet hands say a lot.

 

I don't know how old you are, but this drought is nothing compared to the mid 80's. after 1983, Ferrari only won maybe 1-3 races max till 1990. and then from 1990 to 1994 they won nothing. You cant always be on top. there will be down periods.

I think Ferrari actually have their act in gear and will win with Vettel soon. perhaps the car is not as good as first thought, but I have no doubt that they will be strong and will win races this season. However I also think barring any accident for Rosberg, he is WDC ... which I;m actually happy about.

 

Ferrari GT cars are a good watch! Various series all over the world, I'd give it a go!

 

I appreciate the clarity - you are an Alonso Fan First, Ferrari/Kimi fan second. Your post makes 100% sense in this context. In this reality, I agree you are not a fair weather fan. Only if you're thread had said "Fernando Alonso sucks" would that be the case.

I have no personal connection to Alonso - (nor any other driver) - I don't very much care for the success or failure of their careers, other then a very tertiary appreciation of their accomplishments.

Which bring ups a much bigger philosophical/social question (which probably deserves another thread) - why do people support/follow sports teams in general? I've always found that while yes, their is the pride factor in the team that is geographically in your region - perhaps economic halo effects of their success/failure would have some real tangible benefit beyond pride. But beyond this...what do people truly have to 'gain'?

Scuderia Ferrari was the first sports organization that I really could get passionate about. Their success of failure on the track truly has a direct consequence to me. As both an owner and shareholder - not only do I have a sporting interest - but truly a 'vested' interest as well. Sure, you have the pride and joy one gets - but SF also provides me tangible benefits as well. This is one reason that I support the organization, and beyond the drivers of that year. Very rare instances when you can literally 'own' part of a sports team.

If Alonso wins the next 10 championships and breaks every record for McLaren and Honda..what does that do to the perception of our cars? Does it improve or detract, what does that do the Share Price of RACE? It could be argued it would be negligible, but with RACE now diving into luxury goods and merchandising - having a losing team doesn't do much to advance the brand.

Sure, If I had a cache of Alonso Memorabilia - I might be happy - that may be true in your situation.

Cheers

 

He has clarified he is a Alonso Fan. His post makes sense now to me in this context. He follows Alonso first, team second. Taking Basketball i.e. Lebron James - he would be a Cleveland Fan, then a Miami Fan, then Cleveland again. I make no critical statement at all if one follows a sports star over team - very common.

I am loyal to the Ferrari team - (see previous post for why/context) - so I support team over driver.

Cheers

 

I do both. I'm a dye hard Ferrari fan. have been for almost 45 years. I was a fan when they could not win a thing, and I'm a fan when they rack up championship after championship. regardless of being an owner ( I am) or stock holder ( I am ) I love the history, and admire the Man him self who started all of this. SO I clearly follow the team. when they have bad poor performing drivers - Alonso, and Kimi...I'm not as happy, but I still route for the team.

I think if they had Vettel and Bottas - it would be as strong as Schumacher / Barichello days.

 

Thanks for your post spirot,

I hope my previous post didn't come off as being haughty. I by no means intended to imply that ownership or either product or stock is a quantifier for being a fan. In fact, 99.9% of sports fans follow other sports team with neither quantifier. Geography usually being the main raison d'etre.

I too love Ferrari for the reasons you mentioned: The history, the passion, the character of the team, to name just a few. My mention of equity is simply to give yet more reasons to reinforce my love for the team - additional points to explain to the OP, why I support Ferrari over driver. I can 'own' a Ferrari car or part of the company. I can't 'own' a piece of Alonso...(I guess memorabilia would count)

Again, appreciate your thoughts and Forza Ferrari my friend!

 

This is the 3rd article of this type - ""we need a clean weekend" from the team.

Clearly you dont have clean weekends as the car and support are not where they should be, and in the race we have issues due to reliability or poor qualifying and must endure traffic. Clean means nothing without the pace required to be competitive and consistently on the front row. Sorry Kimi but you said it best....'we are not fast enough.'

Raikkonen: We need a clean race - PlanetF1 : PlanetF1

 

Yeah red bull is definitely a surprise this year, although you say it pains you to see Ferrari perform poorly, just not getting that from your posts

 

Fair enough! Although I think Ferrari will come in second again (sigh)

 

Ferrari is looking a bit Williams-ish with their calls.

 

Ferrari's race strategy this year has been LAUGHABLY bad. Thrown away 2 wins.

 

Agreed I don't know why?

 

Maybe 'cos we sit here in the peanut gallery with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight?

Cheers,
Ian