Official FerrariChat.com Poll: Politics & Religion Part II?

I haven't taken the time to read the user agreement in detail, so I assume users agree to indemnify FerrariChat, et al for libel or any other actions. If the user agreement doesn't say that, it should. Having said that, have at it!

 

I just voted for heavier moderation and by that I mean maybe people should be warned more often when they are crowding the line. It seems that is happening now anyway. I would also like to see it left open to all users. I listen in there a lot and have seen many very interesting points of view, many by unsubscribed users.

 

i care not for political/religious discussion, not because of (the lack of) any opinions i may hold, but because i've never seen such a "discussion" that i believe did anything constructive, ever.

i only log on here once or twice a week, sometimes less, so my visits aren't indicative of overall content, but the few times i've wandered through the P&R section i've quickly gone back to other useful areas as i don't see much other than textual hostility... if there is such a thing.

anywho, overall i don't care, if there's people around who need such a forum to speak their views on such topics and would rather do so to this crowd rather than go to a dedicated P&R discussion board (do they exist), then so be it.

elsewise i'd rather mostly stick to the stuff i KNOW i have in common with other ferrarichat members, ferraris and other nice cars.

 

Ferrari chat should be for Ferrari related items only and should stay like that.
This shouldnt become a PoliticsChat.com forum.
I would like not to see Politics or Relegion part on it.
I know nobody's asking me what I want but I had to say that.

 

iagree, i come on the f chat to talk and learn about great sports cars, which is one of my passions in life....the people here are great..the business forum is very good because of i can learn from successful intelligent people here...but the p and l forum, ..its a different forum...as they say , never discuss politics or religion in mixed company...you never get anywhere and people believe what they believe, no really changes their mind ,what do learn anyway?

 

Make it a free for all. Like a Philippino cock fight.

 

I think you know where I am on this.

Moderate carefully, use folks who don't have an axe to grind, if you can find ones who will moderate without posting within the section.

If that's not possible, then I think you are better off having the existing moderators use a heavier hand, to keep it more civil. Ample warning, with generous amounts of "time out" for folks who incite the riot, or who toss more gas onto the fire.

Or, you can always send them to your new sister site.... www.WeLoveFerrarisButWeHateEachOther.com

DM

 

Dave: At least you are consistent. More control over your life. More regulation. Then, if somebody gets out of line, try to rehabilitate him because it's probably an environmental influence that caused him to misbehave.

 

Is it possible to have the P&R be "observe only" for non-subscribers, rather than having them simply not show up (as Rossa Forum does for me)?

 

Dave.

Nope. You missed the point.

It's not about control over someone else's life, it's about learning to have some civility in what is, for lack of a better term, a social situation, and having some self control.

This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue.

FerrariChat.com is a social gathering without the cocktails. When we do actually meet, as I did last month at a get together at a local restaurant, we don't call each other Asshats, scream about others' political leanings or complain that the occupation of one or another of us is tantamount to stealing. We have a great time and respect each other, trading information and sources on our cars, along with conversations about our lives in general.

I guess I just don't understand why that can't carry over into every section here, even P&R. Maybe we need to add a section called, "reckless personal abuse" because that's what P&R really is.

I'm pretty sure when a nine year old calls his mommy an "asshat"or an "idiot" or a "Dumb ****" that he's gonna get a "time out". Shouldn't we be held to at least the same standard as a nine year old in our interactions here?

 

I voted in the last round to toss it. I've been using the "new posts" tool under user controls to try and follow some threads. Its amazing how much other, non Ferrari related stuff is on Ferrari chat. Don't you people have other things to do? Like drive?

 

Dave, just to finish my thought.

How many of these phrases have you ever used in personal conversation...

"Do you have ADD?"

"Sorry, Not the topic, can you keep up?"

"Don't you even pay attention to what you write?"

"OOOOOOOOOOOO Fun! I get to own you twice with just one reply!"

"you obviously have a reading problem"

"Try to keep up."

"Are you really this big an idiot?"

"No..., its only more complex to you"

"You truly are a little man."

"until then S.T.F.U."

"Watch your mouth 'Big Boy', you are exploiting a high level of verbal ignorance."

"then you are a pretty misguided imbecile and it would be pointless to carry this discussion any further"

I could go on and on and on......

This is just from three recent threads in P&R.

I can honestly say that I have never used anything remotely resembling these statements in a personal conversation about politics, ever.

 

Yup, but it's raining, hard right now, so it will have to wait..

What better way to burn hours than with some highly intellectual discourse on Fchat?

 

Rarely, if ever. Therefore, I don't need someone regulating my thoughts. Maybe others do. I tend to ignore chatters who can't express themselves in a more conventional manner. Name calling just exposes them for their lack of cerebral capacity. I do, however, like the visual references. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

 

Dave, then I guess you're not part of the problem.

But there are too many here that don't debate, they just bait.

 

An example is the current thread that Bruce Springsteen sucks the sh*t out of another mans ass. Which is acceptible because apparently GWB has been called a lot worse in this forum, and Springsteen had decided to back Kerry this time round. IF Bruce Springsteen was my father I would have a big problem with these kind of statements, but apparently it's acceptable here. Obviously people can't moderate themselves and as a result the board is heading down the toilet.

 

Can anyone correlate the insults with the right or the left? That would be interesting, wouldn't it? Having said that, what's wrong with those who own Ferraris, or those that would own them, letting off a little steam. Problem is, once you've gotten the attention of the moderators, you've got to behavior or you get banned.

Art

 

Art.

I think the point is, and based on your revised online behavior I believe you get this, that we should try to temper our personal abuse of other Fchatters. It's not about letting off steam, you can do that 'till the cows come home, but when the language used wanders from steaming to abusive, it crosses a line.

There's not a lot of moderating going on, even after the policy adjustment we're seeing.

And what, exactly, is wrong with trying to have a debate without having it include strong personal attacks against fellow Fchatters?

Even GWB can avoid calling JFK an asshat, ADD sufferer, idiot, fascist, or any of a number of other personal epithets we see here with increasing regularity, and not once did Kerry tell Bush to STFU, even though I'm sure he wanted to.

 

it's not only the personal abuse of other fchatters, it's mainly also the abuse of other nations, cultures and civilizations. and nothing has changed since the heavy discussions about P&R lately, and it will not change either after the election. it was the same 2 years ago and it will stay the same. it will stay the honorable page of ferrarichat. the glorious example of civilized behaviour in an international community, which was set-up for the love of ferrari.
i'm not envious about the fruitless efforts of the moderators.

 

A civil debate requires civil opinions. How am I supposed to carry on with a "civilized" dialogue with someone who argues, that the 9/11 attacks where kind of legitimate answer to US imperialism? Such things could only come from a sick mind. Some of the opinions in the P&R-section are on exactly this level of debate. The problem is that the percentage of psychos in the P&R section is far too high (well, maybe 5%, but 5% can spoil everything). Just remember the debate where some people suggested to kill all muslims ...

 

........and Palestinians!!!!!

 

I think it is good to have Off Topic areas to allow us, a group of Ferrari enthusiasts, a place to make other comments to our group without cluttering the general forum.

Given the passion that goes with politics and religion, I think its also good to separate that out... so that those with interest in off-topic stuff can avoid being inundated with such "hotter" topics.

HOWEVER, I agree that we shouldn't be encouraging that forum as a forum on its own. And I wouldn't want to burden any Ferrari enthusiast with having to moderate that thing... but if anything needs moderation, to keep it appropriate under the FerrariChat name, its that forum.

How to balance that?

If the software will support it, I recommend leaving all as is now EXCEPT I'd apply a 5 post/day limit on all users. Why? I think that would help keep discourage extra traffic there; and encourage people to pause longer and put all their thoughts together better... giving them some extra time to cool off; yet still be that outlet for political stuff, keeping it out of the general forums.

Just a suggestion.

 

Just so you all remember, if it wasnt for religion AND politics, there would be no Ferrari's. There probably wouldnt even be an "Italy" today as we know it, without both of those.