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Official Wheel/Tire/Wheelbolt Guide

Discussion in '348/355' started by 285ferrari, Oct 23, 2008.

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  1. 285ferrari

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    Ok guys it seems everyday someone posts a good question about what will or will not work on our 348 and 355 cars. I figure we could post all FACTS here. No speculation, no guessing. Hard cold facts about what will or will not work.. Please feel free to add to thread if you know firsthand something beneficial to all of us.. I will add a few things first.

    Stock Ferrari 355 wheels weight--- I recently weighed my stock wheels and got the following results.
    Fronts - 22 lbs
    Rear - 23 lbs

    Factory Ferrari 355 Challenge wheels --- I recently weighed mine and got the following results.
    Front - 19 lbs
    Rear - 20 lbs
     
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  2. 285ferrari

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    The stock Ferrari 355 wheelbolt is 52mm long

    An early Ferrari 348 front wheelbolt is 55mm long

    This measurement is not the total length of the bolt. It is a measurement from the tip of the bolt to the start of the shank/angle
     
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  3. 285ferrari

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    The stock 355 wheel insert as well as the superior Hill replacement will NOT fit into a factory 355 Challenge wheel.
     
  4. 285ferrari

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    Will fit on a 348, but not on a 355 properly. The rears will stick out too far on the 355..
     
  5. saw1998

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    This Tread should be made into a "Sticky". Thanks, Robbie, for taking the initiative on this important topic.
     
  6. Ricambi America

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    Early (1995) F355 wheels use a 22mm Hill Engineering insert.
    Later (1996-) F355 wheels use a 23mm Hill Engineering insert.
     
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  7. 285ferrari

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    Stock 355 tire sizes - front 225 and rear 265


    Upgrading to 245/40 front and 295/35 rear should pose no problems -
     
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  9. cinquevalvole

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    Here is what I figured out in kilogramm:

    OEM Front 7.5 x 18 22 lbs., 1.1 oz. 10,010 kg
    OEM Rear 10 x 18 23 lbs., 7.6 oz. 14,743 kg

    Challenge Front 8 x 18 19 lbs., 6.6 oz. 8,82 kg
    Challenge Rear 10 x 18 20 lbs., 11.4 oz. 9,403 kg

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    With Pirelli slicks from 1995:

    Challenge 245 Slick front = 19,1 kg according to my scale
    Challenge 305 Slick Rear = 19,9 kg according to my scale

    just the rims

    Challenge Felge Front = 8,8 kg according to my scale
    Challenge Felge Rear = 9,6 kg according to my scale

    (balanced by 45 gramm lead per rim)


    Part #226245 hopefully fits to the CH wheels too, right?


    cinque

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    1 g = 0,0354 ounce
    1 kg = 2,203 ounce
    1 t = 1,103 tons 1 ounce (oz) = 28,35 g
    1 pound = 16 (oz) = 0,454 kg
    1 ton = 907 kg
     
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  10. bcwawright

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    #10 bcwawright, Oct 26, 2008
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    OEM 355-GTS,GTB,Spider(Taken from year models 97 & 99):

    Hub Thread Depth 11MM

    OEM Cast Iron Rotor Hat Thickness 9MM

    (This means the lug bolt projection from backside of wheel mounting pad should be a minimum of 20MM, with ideal at approx. 21MM)

    Stock OEM Lug Bolt Projection from Mounting Pad 21MM(un-torqued)

    (NOTE:If your aluminum inserts have extreme wear from numerous lug bolt over torque, there will be minor variations in lug bolt projection-this will show up as a +)
     
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  11. DurandDurand

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    #11 DurandDurand, Oct 26, 2008
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    Measurements taken from a 98 355 F1 GTB

    Factory wheel 18x7.5 offset 46.15
    Bolt pattern 5x108

    A. Mounting surface to first obstruction frame side 225mm
    B. Mounting surface to first inside fender 60mm
    C. Hub Diameter 67.1mm
    D. Diameter: Center to top of Caliper (x2) 180mm
    E. Protrusion of Caliper past mounting surface 30mm
    F. Hub Length 10mm
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    #12 DurandDurand, Oct 26, 2008
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    Measurements taken from a 98 355 F1 GTB

    Factory wheel 18x10 offset 77.9
    Bolt pattern 5x108

    A. Mounting surface to first obstruction frame side 270mm
    B. Mounting surface to first inside fender 55mm
    C. Hub Diameter 67.1mm
    D. Diameter: Center to top of Caliper (x2) 185mm
    E. Protrusion of Caliper past mounting surface 11mm
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    #13 bcwawright, Oct 26, 2008
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    Brake Hat Thickness for Various 355 Brake Systems:

    OEM Stock Cast Iron Rotor Hat-9 MM

    CH Factory Aluminum Hat-8 MM

    BREMBO GT Aluminum Hat-8 MM
     
  14. MManzonelli

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    Does anyone have a picture of a Stock Five Spoke 355 Wheel, without a tire on it showing the "bead" of the wheel?
     
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    Can I fit tire sizes 295/30/18 rear and 235/35/18 fronts on factory wheels. I spoke to Tire Rack and they said no. The tires are 265/40/18 rear and 225/40/18 front. F355 Spider
     
  16. 285ferrari

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    Yes, see post #8 - Not sure about that low of a profile, but the width will fit...Guys here have done it with no problems..
     
  17. 285ferrari

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    #17 285ferrari, Oct 26, 2008
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    I have a set with no tires mounted on them...Send me a PM to remind me and I will snap a few pics when I get home this afternoon....


    GREAT INFO guys--keep it coming--the more we put in here, the more we all learn...
     
  18. bcwawright

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    #18 bcwawright, Oct 27, 2008
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    A 355 stock OEM lug bolt(52MM), installed(un-torqued) on a 355CH wheel has a projection from wheel mounting pad, of 18.5-18.6MM.

    To safely secure a 355CH wheel to a non-CH 355 with stock braking system, a 55MM lug bolt is a MUST....in other words DO NOT USE the original 52MM lug bolt!!!!

    NOTE:I would strongly suggest that you double check these measurements for the CH wheels you have, as some teams might have machined the wheel mounting pad and the aluminum inserts. If these modifications were done,especially reducing the wheel mounting pad thickness, a shorter bolt can be used. Remember that you need atleast a 20MM and ideally a 21MM lug bolt projection to get correct thread contact on the hub.
     
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  19. 285ferrari

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    An early non-Spider 348 wheelbolt is 55mm as is a Maserati 3200. The Maserati bolt has a more rounded looking head on it, but will work fine. Both are the necessary 55mm required by Bruce's above post. I believe Hill also makes this 55mm bolt. Ricambi America should be able to get any of these bolts you choose...
     
  20. davehelms

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    Many of the 355 wheels had the inner rubber rings go missing somewhere in their life. This led to trapped moisture between the Mag wheel and the steel rotor and then the resulting galvanic corrosion. MANY of the 355 wheels were machined at the mounting pad area when the contact surface got down to 50% which resulted in more lug bolt protrusion. Also created a problem in the wheel centering area on the hub with many showing a great deal of corrosion. The normal amount machined was in the range of .125" but if one is ordering all new lug bolts this would be something to inspect. I have seen a good deal more than the .125" machined off some of the race wheels. I suspect you should also find a "Norm" measurement for the mounting pad thickness so long as this effort is being made.
     
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    Dave, so when would guys get there wheels machined? I can't imagine your average tire shop would know any different. Maybe the dealer saw the corrosion when the car came there for work and sent the wheels out?
     
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    I sent out most when there was a tire chance in progress. Only done on the wheels where the contact patch was greatly compromised from corrosion. Due to the amount I saw removed on some race wheels I suspect it occured when wheels were being repaired / straightened after a shunt.
     
  23. 285ferrari

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  25. bcwawright

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    Many thanks Vern. Those pic's tell me alot...great!!!!

    I'll be over this weekend to rake leaves and paint the porch..lol
     

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