Sorry but I do not care whether he is gay or about Justin Bieber and I do not read or comment on that. I guess you will have a hard time to find comments about that in my posts...So actually very few members point on that and just like those were adviced to use the ignore function it works the other way round if you do not like what they write... Why am I actually not surprised that you are not aware of any guilt on your side...But again this is strange: if you think things did not get worse since you arrived but always been that way, why did you join such a horrible place at all? Makes absolutely no sense to me...
As a Hamilton hater, I can't believe I'm about to say this...but... +1 I've stopped participating and only casually read the thread topics in this section. The Hamboy fanboys (that are left) are and have been very well behaved so far this year...the 'other side,' not so much. Too much vitriol for my taste.
I can understand that we had to mention Hamilton in this thread, because he was the one who won, but how is it that most threads these days have to degenerate in a debate about Hamilton? Not only do I find this a bit tiring, but really I'm not interested. Rgds
Well, thanks . Though I must say I take the piss out of his fashion sense plenty off times . Closing another deal this week so it is in the pipeline, but I may be ****ed on time. Friend of mine has a good deal on Abu Dhabi, which will be a lot easier time wise for me. I'll know more in August, really.
Its the same as last year...and the year before... It won't stop until Mercedes/Ham/Nico are done fighting for the championship. Then everyone will find a new person to hate
While I'm no fan of certain drivers I'm far from a hater and gladly give drivers their due. The Hamilton fans have been far from well behaved as most of their comments have started to draw huge eye rolls again. Everyone here has become so obsessed with proclaiming "their" driver as the one....the greatest of our era.... the greatest of all time. These are random strangers, talented, yes but really who gives a damn. The non-stop "my driver is so awesome sauce" sounds nothing more than kindergarten my dad can beat up your dad crap. Can't we all just acknowledge that most of the top are exceptional in their own ways? Some are stronger in certain situations than others, some behave differently, but all the top 4-5 guys could easily win championships given the right combos.
+1 To find out how who really is the top dog in F1...put them in the Manor for 2 flying laps each,that would sort out the men from the boys!
Maybe, but Hamilton and Alonso seem to be able to get just that bit more out of the car than the others. They don't really need the best car to win. Nico, Vettel, etc. don't seem that have that. That's what separates the great from the good.
Alonso yes, but Elton? Give me a break, he whines his way around if things aren't right, and asks to park the car.. Elton hasn't one anything in a car that wasn't the best of the field, it's the reason the informed don't see him as a great, just a good, driver Vettel has the potential to wring the neck of cars, but needs the basic under him to start with, whereas Alonso just seems to kick the cars ass around and makes it go faster.
I think that´s a myth...Alonsos Renault might not have been the best out there but together with the Michelin tyres it was better than the Ferrari with the Bridgestones...Remember the years he beat Schumacher, the main problem where the tyres... Alonso is still said to have the ability to drive over the cars abilities (because of the Ferrari years) but I do not see how that fits to Hamilton? He never sat in a crap car and obviously his cars where always capable of winning a race as apart from Kovalainen in 2009 I think every of his team mates did as well win a race in the same car...So how can one say for sure that Hamilton can win in a bad car? Maybe he could but he never had to prove that and so it is not certain... And before I am again labeled as hater for saying so...It is not Hamiltons fault that he never sat in a bad car so far, maybe he will get the chance to convince us anywere in the future but I highly doubt it that Mercedes will fall apart so much or that he will end up in a smaller team with a bad car...So I guess he will end his career in a good car and maybe he even can keep his record for winning one race every season. Good for him but it will not prove your point...
No, as it would very much depend whether the characteristic of the car suits your driving style or not...Give them a Manor, a given budget and look how they will do after a year when the car is poperly set up to their needs! F1 needs more than just 2 flying laps.
Yep agreed. Even compared to Kovalainen, Hamilton wasn't exactly ''spectacular''. Many more wins, yes, but out and out speed there wasn't that much in it. Kovalainen was often just a tenth shy of him in quali, race close. Kovalainen was very unlucky regarding reliability of his cars. He was pitted against Button, who many said would be career suicide to go against Hamilton...but we all know what happened. Same was said for Rosberg, he was only a tiny bit faster that the mighty Schumacher, who was now old and slower. Not a chance he'd match Hamilton, everyone said. Since 2013 it's been incredibly close between the two, with Hamilton early on already having to resort to unauthorized engine maps just in a bid to beat him! He's a great driver but the best? No. +1 IMO, over the last 20 years, only Schumacher and Alonso where the 2 drivers that could wring the neck of any car given to them. In 2011>2013 Vettel was able to make use of the blown diffuser, something Webber rarely or ever really got his head round. Without that, the car wasn't the fastest. Over driving a car is in the end slower, perhaps what we mean is that Alonso/Schumacher where able to get 100% from cars that was difficult to get 100% out of. Vettel managed this in the years I mention.
That's the whole point of giving them a run in something challenging to drive for a change,they would have to adjust their driving style (grab the thing by the scruff of the neck) to get the most out of a difficult 'dog' that doesn't even like going for walkies. Even the driver's are complaining the best cars are too easy to drive.
No...what is the point to give a car with the tendency of understeering to two guys with one prefering understeer and the other oversteer just to come to the conclusion that the guy used to understeed is "the better pilot" even if the other guy might be constantly faster if he has the chance to set up the car properly??? Why do some over here think that the only important thing is to "adjust" you driving style??? The guys are paid to get the best possible result for the team and if they prefer a different kind of car that would be faster for them then the engineers need to get this car if possible. Remember the first Schumacher years in the Benetton? He started with not that much and ended with 2 WDC and everybody said this must be the car to beat...But after Berger and Alesi tried that car they came to the conclusion that it was actually crap for them as it purely suited Schumachers driving style! You would say that Schumacher did not adjust to the given material, I would say "mission completed" as he gave them 2 championchips. F1 is not only about speed over 1 or 2 laps...Look at this weekend: Verstappen was praised to do some serious overtaking when people think overtaking is impossible and he was really quick. But what does it change if he ends in the guard rails? Nothing... So judging a driver about 2 laps in something he does not have input other than driving for two laps does not give the right picture imo.
Yes for sure a different result would most likely occur over a whole season ... I am thinking more of a measure of pure driving instinct/talent whatever you want to call it. Roll up at Silverstone/wherever on a wet and windy Monday morning,ok mate there she is jump in and we will start you up.one warm up lap then 2 flying laps followed by slow in lap .Then you can have a nice hot cuppa and bacon sarny.Any questions? Ok off you go ! Then you can have a go at our 'driver psychological quiz' to see if you are the kind of chap we are looking for: McLaren Formula 1 - Which F1 Driver Are You?
I'm not talking about when they won their WDCs. Alonso proved more by the Ferrari years even though he didn't win. No one else could do what he did with those cars and it's pretty well acknowledged. As far as Hamilton goes, he has a had a few drives that were magic such as Canada 07 and Monaco 08. Trouble with him is he doesn't seem to be able to do it with any sort of consistency. He's had the best car the last few years and it's been relatively easy for him. He's very much a momentum driver. That why I rate him lower than Alonso who seems to be able to do it for the whole season.
I could not disagree with the OP any more than I do. Ric is refreshing to have in F1. People have come to expect a smile all of the time, but guess what folks, he's human. He's competing at the highest level on a world stage. Stakes are very high, and everyone is watching and listening to your every move. All things considered, I think Ric has conducted himself rather well. I do not find any of his so-called negative reactions out of line whatsoever.
