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Oh Gawd...we're talkin' hair loss

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  1. Steve R

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    And why not....we're discussing cholesterol, weight loss and other health related issues.

    I'm now 40, which explains the Ferrari in the garage, doing the mid-life crisis thing. I've noticed a dramatic increase in my receding hairline and the cowlick in the back of my head is showing more and more skin and less hair.

    Some pharmaceutical buddies told me that anything you take will immediately stop working the moment you stop taking it, and that many things don't work at all. I don't mind going bald, I just don't want hair to fall out while in the Ferrari (yeah, that's it :D)

    This seems like something with a huge satisfaction guarantee, isn't dangerous and is reasonable: http://www.procerin.com/index.htm

    Any thoughts (besides wearing a hat or just shaving it off?)
     
  2. markymark360f1

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    I have the same problem. When you figure it out please share, I dont want hair plugs!

    MM
     
  3. Sfumato

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  4. SRT Mike

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    I havent even hit 30 yet and I am noticing my forehead hairline is no longer straight across but rises up at either side more than it ever did before. I usually keep my hair cut short and noticed a while back that my cowlick in the back wasnt quite as thick with hair as before.

    I am also interested in what can be done NOW to stop this LATER. Currently nobody would say I am "losing my hair", people I tell just say "nah its normal your hairline rises as you get older" but I also know where that can lead.

    I've casually looked at various meds but I am partly worried they may not work, and partly worried about taking medicine for a long long time (I am 29, dont want to be taking drugs for 50 years - bye bye liver). Can some of the experienced folks chime in?
     
  5. steve f

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    mine has gone but have more money to spend on gas now rather than the hairdressers
     
  6. AKS

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    Welcome to the club. I just turned 25 and I'm already sporting a high hairline and thinning around the back. Couple more years at this rate and my new screenname will be "cue ball".
     
  7. acehole

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    You should look into the laser haircomb! Seriously, its by far the best hair regrowth solution ive seen in a long time.
     
  8. e_phils

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    The best thing I can recommend is you get on Propecia / Proscar right away, it takes about 3-4 months to start working.

    Once you stop using it, the hair you grew will fall out in 2-3 months.

    You can try a hair transplant, but they usually wait for you to lose all your hair before they do that :-(

    Check out the forums on http://www.hairlosstalk.com/
     
  9. Eric5273

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    Lucky for us we are living in a time when cutting your hair short and/or beign bald is actually fashionable. Many people with tons of hair are shaving their heads. I'm 32 and losing some of my hair as well, but I don't worry about it. Women do not seem to care one bit. I just cut my hair very very short almost like a military buzz cut, and it looks fine.

    I did look into the various solutions a few years ago, and the only one that seemed like a reasonable and perminant solution was to actually get the hair transplant surgery.
     
  10. UroTrash

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    I'm impressed with the new crop of supplements that are being advertised in the last year or two. The new subterfuge is to put the supplements in bottles that simulate the look of prescription drugs. You see this all the time with weight loss snake oil on TV.

    Interestingly, the ingredients in these preparations, whether for hair loss, weight loss etc etc are vitamins and minerals with a little dab of a vague herbal ingredient to confuse the issue. When they say the FDA has not evaluated it and they can make no claims to its efficacy BELIEVE IT. Its bogus. They will steal your money. They will laugh at you. They will make you a fool.

    The other subterfuge I have noticed is to make the name of the bogus concoction sound similar to a real medication. 2 examples:

    "Estrin D", a bogus weight loss product sounds like estrogen, and this product: "Procerin", a bogus hair loss product named to associate with the real drug Propecia (that does work).

    At times I really get angry at the deceitful scammers that push this ineffective crap.


    What really works for hair loss? Only two things: Propecia (smaller dose of Proscar) and minoxadil.
     
  11. Eric5273

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    It always appeared to me that they were purposely trying to make a point that their solutions were not medication and were all natural.

    I'm of the belief that there is always a natural cure to all problems, but many have just not been figured out yet. People lose hair for some reason or another. Most likely because of something lacking in their diet, or maybe the lack of some kind of mineral, vitamin, amino acid, etc. Whatever is lacking, some people have the genetic disposition to be lacking it more than others. Just like some people have high cholestoral and some people have low cholestoral, whatever is lacking is more lacking in some people than in others, thus some men lose their hair more than others. Same with hair turning grey, although this one has been somewhat figured out.

    That said, I have not seen any evidence that such a thing has been figured out yet with regard to hair loss. But I would stay away from the drugs on this. All drugs cause some kind of side effects. It's just not worth it to risk your heatlh in order to treat a cosmetic problem. If it really bothers you that much, then get the hair transplant surgery.
     
  12. UroTrash

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    Yes Eric, thats a big part of the con. People that are not educated in the biological sciences are easily fooled by this. The ignorant assume it something is natural that it is safe and better.

    Would you rather take a purely synthetic dose, 400mg, of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) or 400mg of Ricin , a purely natural product?
     
  13. Steve R

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    It's like you're reading my mind (might wanna check back with me around 11pm tonight, that's Angelina Jolie hour) :)

    I want to avoid medication for as long as possible. It's one thing to fight cholesterol, but balding, or a tendency towards thinning hair, is hardly something to get too pharmaceutical over: why take a spin on the wheel o' Liver for side-effects and long-term dangers!!

    I don't think there is anything out there, if there were we'd know about it and it would be accepted. Example: penncillin, it works, it's been documented. If hair loss were correctable, doctors would simply prescribe a medicine. Everything else is just gimmick, snake oil and late-night infomercial.

    Here is my last and only thought: much hair loss is related to DHT, something that comes from the break-down of testosterone. I've been told that taking Saw Palmetto can possibly reduce the chance of prostrate cancer AND will inhibit the formation of DHT. It's cheap, entirely natural, no possible side-effects, might have cancer-fighting qualities, and just may reduce, slow-down or inhibit hair-loss. Haven't you heard: recent studies at the university of blah-blah-bleh have established through a test of XXXX-many people, that men between the ages of #-## showed reduced hairloss when taking 160mg of Saw Palmetto on a daily basis.... :) :)

    So: cut the hair short, accept our genetic disposition and take Saw Palmetto: hope they notice the cars more so then our heads!
     
  14. UroTrash

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    How unfortunate.

    Saw Palmetto lowers PSA and makes prostate cancer much harder to detect. This has been well documented with far advanced cancers being found in men who did not tell their docs that they were taking this drug.

    There is zero evidence it helps prevent cancer.

    Even well meaning but ignorant family doctors sometimes will recommend it. Sad.
     
  15. WILLIAM H

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    I use Loreal which has a great thickening product :)

    LOL, its great getting older
     
  16. UroTrash

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    I saw that advertized during a football game. They are making a huge move into men's products it seems.
     
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  21. UroTrash

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    Paint??
     
  22. matteo

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    Steve,

    You cannot burp to make hair grow so do the combover or use spraypaint.
     
  23. Steve R

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    You must be referring to that bottle of Saw Palmetto that's sitting in my trashcan?
     
  24. Eric5273

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    I would guess that most likely at some point there will be a natural cure for baldness. The DNA researchers are gradually pulling apart our genes and figuring out more and more every day. Eventually they will figure out what causes baldness, and the fix will not be a medication but some sort of natural vitamin or amino acid, or mineral.

    Not all men go bald....some men live to age 80 with a full head of hair, and I can guarantee one thing....they did not avoid going bald because they had a natural supply of monoxidil or some other medication flowing through their blood. Some men go bald because of something their body is lacking, perhaps something that can be corrected through diet, or just by taking a suppliment. We just don't yet know what that "something" is. But ultimately the "cure" will be natural.

    But if such a thing is ever figured out, I would look for the FDA to declare "male balding" a disease. Too much money is being made from these hair growing drugs, and the drug companies are not about to lose out on it, perhaps ever. According to FDA rules, nothing can be advertised as a "cure" for any disease unless it is an FDA approved drug. That rules out all natural cures. For example, you could not market a bottle of Vitamin C and on the bottle claim that it is a cure for the disease "scurvy" -- doing so would violate FDA rules. Even though any doctor would tell you that to cure scurvy, you could drink a glass of orange juice every day for a week.

    For years I used to see my dad read all sorts of nutritian books written by guys like Gary Null and such. I browsed through a couple of them and the claims they made about the value of vitamins and other natural cures seemed rather exagerated. I thought that way until I saw my dad's hair turn from grey back to brownish red at the age of 55, and now at age 63, he has no grey hair, even though he was partially grey at age 50. Now I am a believer.

    If they do find a natural cure for baldness, look for it to be burried in a nutritian book written by some anti-medical establishment "nut" like Gary Null. You will not see a bottle in the drug store that says "natural cure for male baldness". It will not happen that way.

    That said, I do not believe that anyone has found a natural cure for male baldness. But I would not be surprised if someone does in the next few years. But it will be something that you have to read about and find out for yourself. I am 32 and am starting to lose my hair. I am guessing there will be something in the next few years, so I am waiting before I decide to get the transplant surgery. If they don't have something by the time I am 40, then maybe I will give in.
     
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