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OIL CAPACITY OF THE DRY SUMP TANK

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  1. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    Does anyone know the oil capacity of the reservoir/tank, 1976 Euro dry sump 308? I couldn't readily find it and knowing it would help me solve my problem discussed in a previous thread. Thanks. Steve Meltzer
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    What is tank capacity or how much oil should the car have? The tank capacity is a great deal more than the amount of oil it should have.

    According to Ferrari the dry sump cars should have 11 liters.( a lot more than I remembered). When its running about 10 of that will be in the tank with the remaining liter or so being in the engine. That information is in the owners manual. As soon as it is shut off oil begins to drain from the tank and go back into the engine, usually about half of it eventually, sometimes more.

    Why? What problem is being solved?
     
  3. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    Brian, I can rehash this, but it's all in my thread about the the nuances of a 308 oil change, still alive on this list. thanx steve
     
  4. steve meltzer

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    Oh yeah, let me know if my problem is clear. thanx again. steve
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I know less now than before I read it.
    First let me say this. I think its an exceedingly bad idea to change oil via sucking it out the top. The manufacturers put plugs in the bottom for good reason. Use them.

    If it was my car Id put it up, pull both drain plugs then refill. I really do not understand why that was or has not been done.

    Dry sump systems do not need to be full to lubricate the engine. On a system the size of a Ferrari 4 quarts is all thats needed. I would not drive it that way but it can be run. I do it pretty regularly to get a start on heating the oil while I am still filling it.
     
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  6. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    Iffin' my reservoir tank had a conventional drain plug, I would have used it, but with the oil temperature sensor embedded in my drain plug, I am loathe to fool with it, as I'm notta professional mechanic. Also, I'm in in no hurry to pull the tank, install the correct bung and drain plug, though I know that would be ideal. Thanks Brian for your information about needing only 4 quarts to make sure the engine is lubricated enough to run. That piece of information is very helpful. Thank you Steve.
     
  7. Rifledriver

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    The only drain plug a 288 GTO ever had in the oil tank was the temp sensor, a few earlier cars too. Never had issue doing it that way.
     
  8. steve meltzer

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    Are you saying that our fear of removing that wired drain plug is an "urban legend"? For some reason, I thought you said that would be best to put in a new bung and new drain plug on that reservoir.For some reason, I can't find that reference from you. If I brought my 308 to you for an oil change, what would you do? And, would you advise me to add a new bung to decrease the risk of damaging that connection? Thanks, Steve.
     
  9. Rifledriver

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    The wire is not the issue. Do I think it should have a drain plug? Yes and if the tank was ever out thats what I would do.
    In many cases the oil temp senders are a pipe thread which means its a tapered thread. On every reinstallation it needs to be tightened a hair more to prevent oil oozing out so some care needs to be taken. The reason we see so many stripped threads on oil drain plugs is paranoia driven overtightning of the plugs. The pipe threads will not strip out but the same paranoia will wear them out very quickly. But with some care they will last for years, just not permanently hence the plan for a plug.

    The bad stuff in the oil we really want to get rid of is in nearly every case in the bottom. Suction from the top is not very good at getting it out but the oil draining out from the bottom is pretty effective at washing it out.
     
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  10. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    That makes perfect sense. thanx again. steve
     
  11. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    My apologies for repeating what I posted in a very,very similar thread....I decided to remove the tank/reservoir drain plug, despite my misgivings; everything looks good so far. I have not measured how much came out but will do so tomorrow or Saturday. (Tho' it is no longer relevant) So now, I get to start with a clean slate and add the recommended amount which I believe is about 10 1/2 quarts. I didn't see any sort of crush washer. Is there supposed to be one there? It looks to have an M-16 X 1.5 threading and I've attached d a picture of it.Thanks again, Steve
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  12. Rifledriver

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    Its not a pipe thread and they are using the tapered seat as a sealing surface. Effective but in aluminum it will have some limit on use. Not something to just mindlessly be reinstalling.
     
  13. steve meltzer

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    Thatsa why I was confused about the use of a copper crush washer. Would one work there? It looks like it would have to be fairly thin/narrow or use some special Loctite brand sealant (NOT threadlockeer)
    Thanks Again, Steve.
     
  14. Rifledriver

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    Steve, I was wrong. After a better look at the picture while that sender was been contacting the tank in the tapered area it does have a flat area just above for a washer. I'm thinking its the wrong part. I'll try and find myself a picture of the correct part.
     
  15. Rifledriver

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    Steve, Maranello Classics shows 100453 as the correct sender/pug for your car and their pictures are better than yours. Its clearly made and in fact they show it having a copper washer.
     
  16. steve meltzer

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    Brian, THANX for your efforts to help me. steve
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    Quite all right.

    When that plug was last installed the copper washer was left out. When reinstalled with no washer it threaded deeper in and contacted the tapered portion leaving the witness mark. Had the version survived into later years Ferrari would have used a helicoil at the factory making the threads more robust and more able to survive less cautious, repeated installation. Just get a few copper crush washers and be your usual cautious self when doing oil changes.
     
  18. steve meltzer

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    Right-O! ! When I thread plugs into pans and cases, I try to have everything surgically clean, do so compulsively, and I take my time. I only wish I were getting paid by the hour when I do these jobs!

    Thanks again Brian. Steve.
     
  19. Rifledriver

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    I am sure of it. You have every 308 lovers dream car there. Take good care of it.
     
  20. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    I am so well aware of my good fortune....it's never been a disappointment. Challenging (for me!) yes, but never a disappointment, s
     
  21. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    All done with no difficulties; I handled the wire and plug as gently as possible.
    thanks again, Brian
    steve
     

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