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OIL CHANGES: just how often?

Discussion in '360/430' started by eagleye49, Dec 29, 2015.

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  1. eagleye49

    eagleye49 Karting

    Oct 5, 2010
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    San Francisco, CA
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    Bruce
    I have a collection of vintage bikes that are (almost) all in running order. Every year, no matter what the mileage accumulation (and just as I do with my F430), I faithfully change the oil and filters. The brake fluid--- every two. This always happens during the spare time I inevitably find over the Holidays. This morning, as I inventoried my rapidly depleting store of oil, I realized that at least four or five of my bikes had accumulated less than 100 miles since their last oil/fluid changes. I know that Porsche is now recommending every two year oil changes in 911s with little mileage. Here's the question: although I realize that oil changes are cheap insurance, could there be enough water vapor or corrosive combustion byproducts in the oil after a few hundred miles that an oil change is of any benefit? We see F-cars with average annual mileage accumulation of 500 that also get yearly fluid changes at the dealer... are all of these necessary? Is there anyone out there with an engineering background who can pass along some reasoned and rational guidelines for oil changes (Taz?)... or are annual changes still the most reasonable course?
     
  2. E60 M5

    E60 M5 Moderator
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    Jan 2, 2006
    8,166
    Wash DC area
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    Robert
    Try a search, I remember a pretty detailed thread about oil and break down/moisture and so on... Very informative thread, bottom line for me and based on what I read, annual fluid service is the best. Specifically right before winter storage.
     
  3. Keith360

    Keith360 Formula Junior

    Feb 6, 2015
    570
    Santa Barbara County
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    Keith Williams
    A lot depends on how many of these were short trips and how warmed up did they get? You should know this and probably do, the majority of engine wear is during the startup and cold running of the engine. I broke myself of this habit of someone coming over to see my car/cars and starting them up for less than a minute and shutting it off. It's hard to break this because they sound soooo good. The oil never warms up and casts off the water and unburned hydrocarbons that are held in the oil and collects more everytime I start it and never run it to warm. My now current commitment is to only start it if I plan to drive it from 20 minutes beyond being at operating temperature. It also depends where you live and the relative humidity. If I lived in a humid environment I would change it accordingly. Also brake fluid which is also hygroscopic and sucks water out of the small amount of air that is seen on top of the fluid in the reservoir.

    To answer your question in short, yes, change the oil at a minimum every year and you will be rewarded in the end.
     
  4. KM1959

    KM1959 Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2014
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    Kevin
    I do every two years. Today's oils are very stable - especially when they're sitting in my 75 degree garage in Southern California. The service manager at Ferrari told me that this is "more than fine".
     
  5. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    Aug 22, 2002
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    on the cars that get driven less than 500 miles a year, i go 2. on cars that are driven 500 a month, i go annually. im sure i cld go every 2 years even on those.
     
  6. Falcon Wing

    Falcon Wing Formula 3

    Aug 4, 2010
    1,294
    Colorado Springs
    I do it annually, it's pretty easy to do after you have done it once, and have the correct tools.
    Additionally, since these cars have under trays, it will give you a chance to see what's going on under the car. Easy to miss leaks when they never hit the garage floor.
     
  7. KM1959

    KM1959 Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2014
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    That, of course, is ideal but with the other cars, other houses, other kids, wife, dog, cat, oh yeah work, travel, I'm now farming out oil changes - least the ones the wife doesn't do.
     
  8. ferralc

    ferralc Formula 3
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    Sep 2, 2010
    2,153
    San Diego CA
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    Fernando
    I performed an annual service when I just got my car back in April, the "old" oil we removed (that was used for a year and 10k miles) had a golden color, I am not sure if the burnt oil that has lost its properties would always look as crude oil or the color has nothing to do with it, but this one still looked good.


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