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Oil Consumption on F430 - My experience

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  1. whatheheck

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    I did a search and it appears some are not quite sure on what is the "normal" oil consumption on F430 engine and how it should be checked, and how often you should check the oil level so here you go.

    Disclaimer, I am no expert, just sharing my own experience and reading the owners manual, and reading other threads.

    First thing's first, there is really no "norm" as no two engines are exactly alike, they are broken in differently, wears out differently, driven differently etc.

    Some are asking if their oil consumption is normal. Folks, its in the owners manual, page 14. It states oil consumption is expected to be between 1 - 2 liters every 1,000km.

    Some engines will burn more oil, some will burn less depending on how hard or how easy you drive your car.

    In my case, my F430 was serviced before I bought it 7 months ago and oil level was full. My engine had 26K miles when I bought it.

    I drive my car the way its designed and meant to be driven so I accelerate hard, I brake hard, I shift at redlines and I love to drive at high RPM as this is where the Ferrari engines loves to sing.
    I checked my oil yesterday at 30K miles and my oil level was at minimum mark on the dip stick which means it consumed 1.5 liters of oil after driving 4,000 miles. This is my own experience.

    Based on the above, I recommend checking your oil after driving about 1K - 2K miles to play it safe.
    As you all know, you run out of oil and you risk destroying your engine.

    To properly check oil level ensure the engine is warm, let it sit idle for about 5 minutes to let oil level settle down, use heat resistant gloves (cap is hot!), then unscrew and pull dipstick to check oil level. Top off accordingly. Top full level and low mark level of dipstick = 1.5 liters.

    Hope this helps some of you.

    Dan
     
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  2. ferralc

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    Dan, the 360 manual states the same 1-1.5L every 1,000 kms, but several Ferrari technicians have told me this is not the case,
    I don’t know about the F430 but with the 360 the oil gets foamy (because the car is idling) and the dipstick is hard to read, which makes people to believe their cars have less oil that they do which ends up with overfilling their cars. Just an observation


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  3. whatheheck

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    Thanks for sharing on a 360.

    My F430 engine oil didnt / dont have foam whenever I check it.
    One thing I did experience is upon coming home from a drive I immediately checked the oil and it showed almost half full on the dip stick.
    I let the engine idle for another 5 minutes and when I checked it again it went down to the minimum level dipstick mark. So now I know how important it is to let the engine idle for about 5 minutes and let the oil level settle before checking for proper oil quantity.

    Again, my recommendation to others is to just make a habit of checking your oil level every 1,000 miles as each engine consumes different amount of oil.
    We would rather check our oil more often than less often as when you run out of oil we all know what the consequences are.

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  4. Flea7

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    #4 Flea7, Mar 7, 2018
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    just for reference......
    1200 miles last summer....redline several times....rest on idle 5 mins. when checking......No measurable lost of oil. Mid mark on the dipstick.
     
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  5. Rosso328

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    With my 430, so long as the oil registers somewhere in the dipstick between the marks, I don’t worry. If I ever see nothing, I will add a quart and check again later. Yes, the foamy thing makes a precise reading darned near impossible, which is why I just look for “about right.”

    (For what it’s worth, the owners manual for my 328 states to check the oil every 500 miles. And it can indeed show a marked drop in that distance.)
     
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    Sounds worse than a rotary
     
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  7. whatheheck

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    Awesome! Thanks for sharing.

    Dan
     
  8. Rosso328

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    Yep. My RX7 went through oil almost as fast as my MG. And that's saying something!
     
  9. whatheheck

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    I had a 2006 BMW M6 Coupe and a 2009 BMW M6 Convertible both with V10 engine.
    Those engines consumed 1 liter of oil every 1,000 miles.

    No biggie, just like my F430, whenever she gets thirsty I just give her her favorite drink and I go driving again and she puts the biggest smile on my face.
     
  10. Flea7

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    Yup....my E92 M3 V8 consumes about 1 liter every 2k miles.
     
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  11. Red 27

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    I think you are overfilling the oil and it is burning it off. You should not check it from the screwed down position. I have not added any oil between services since I started checking the oil properly. I overfilled it twice, a quart each time. Took about 1500 miles to burn it down to correct level.:)
    Hope this helps.
    From the manual :Checking the engine oil level
    The level check must be carried
    out with the engine warm (oil
    temperature >70°C / 158 °F) and the cap
    resting on the oil separator filler neck.
     
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    I've only owned my 360 two years, and put 5000 miles on it each year of ownership. I check my oil level as mentioned (warm after a little bit of driving, with the engine idling), and my 360 doesn't seem to use up any. Using 1-2 liters after just 1000 miles is a fair bit, but at least in my case, hasn't been the case at all. I have yet to find a need to top it off. What I've read however, is that overfilling an engine with oil can damage it, so be careful out there if self-servicing.
     
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    I had an E92 coupe for 6 years... bought new in 2008 and sold it in 2014 with 36k miles. I never had to add oil between oil changes, and I even tracked it regularly.
     
  14. whatheheck

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    I dont think anyone said they check their oil with the oil filler cap in screwed down position.

    The owners manual is clear as you mentioned above - check oil level with the cap resting on top of the filler neck.

    I owned a 360 Spider for 2 years before my F430 Spider. The process for checking oil level is the same so Im familiar with the process.
     
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  15. whatheheck

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    Thanks everyone for chiming in.

    This again proves no two engine is exactly alike. And not two person drives their car exactly the same way.
     
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  16. whatheheck

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    And by the way, you actually have less chance of overfilling your oil if you check your oil level with the cap in the screwed down position.

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    I think the screwed down position, where the cap slides down the grooves and locks into place lowers the dipstick about 1/2" lower than when just resting on TOP of the filler neck.
    Maybe I am interpreting the manual wrong. Either way good luck and love your car and all of the info you have posted.:)
     
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    My 360 is actually Dan’s former car and I drive about 4K miles per year, every time I bring the car to the shop (for whatever reason) between annual services I have the oil checked (because it seems hard for me to pinpoint an exact level on that metal made dipstick and all that foam) not a single time the technician added oil if there was not an oil leak. (And even with a small oil leak I had because the bottom plate tread was damaged the level never got that low)
    BUT Dan’s logic is valid, if you screw down the dipstick it will show more oil than just sitting on top of the filler neck therefore the chance of overfilling is less.
    I have heard from Ferrari technicians it is very common for owners to overfill their cars so as long as the dipstick shows some foamy oil I would just check for oil leaks and get the oil changed every year.


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    Yes his logic is rock solid. Just wondering why it is burning oil. The engine is supposed to be warm and running at idle when the level is checked in case any owners are missing their manual. Best of luck to all.
     
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  20. hardtop

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    All manufacturers put inflated oil consumption rates in their manuals which lets them off the hook for the rare motor that happens to use a lot. I have owned my 430 since new (2005) and never had to add oil between changes, even after 3 days on a track. I broke it in according to the instructions in the manual. Most owners do not do this. I know of other car models that will use oil when not broken in properly. I've never read anything definitive on Ferraris in this regard. Many think it makes no difference. I'm not so sure. BTW, I've used Mobil 1 5-40 since new. The recommended Shell oil will foam.

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  21. whatheheck

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    Thanks for sharing your experience Dave.

    The Shell oil will foam and it's by design. There is a post here about that including video from Shell. I'll try and find it.

    Dan


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    By design .. interested to understand

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  23. whatheheck

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    Here you go.

    Shell worked with Ferrari engine engineers to formulate Helix specifically for Ferrari engines.

    YouTube video here:
    Watch the entire video.
    Specifics starts at count 2:17.



    Hope that helps.

    Dan
     
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  24. whatheheck

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    See my post number 23.

    Shell Helix oil is designed to foam "to get to parts of the engine that is hard to reach"

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    Thanks

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