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Oil leak from front of engine 456 GT 1995

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  1. AKINSB

    AKINSB Formula Junior

    Feb 15, 2013
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    Santa Barbara
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    Alex K
    Took my car to FastCars in Redondo Beach today to inspect a small oil leak noted on my garage floor. Just a few drops in the last 2 weeks. Looks like there is leakage probably from the area of the cam on the driver side when inspected on the lift and smaller leak from the of the cam covers on the passenger side.

    As a result will be doing a 30K service on the car. Last big service with belt was 15 months ago at AutoGallery prior to my purchase. Car currently has 15,500 miles. Purchased at 14,000 and last belt service at 13,500

    If this ends up being the case what other preventative maintenance should be done?

    These are repairs that I plan to do:

    Hill engineering tensioner bearing
    Replace the three hoses under the manifold with silicon hoses
    Replace the temperature sensors
    Replace thermostat and water pump seal gasket
    Clean and bench test fuel injectors

    Once completed it was suggested that I should be good for 5 years as far as a "Major" service. Obvious annual service will be needed.

    Any other suggested work while this big service is being done? Anticipated cost about $5K. When I purchased the car I had planned for about this amount of potential repairs. So not entirely a shocker. Have driven the car 1500 miles in the last 2 months and have really enjoyed it.

    FastCars is an AMAZING place. Saw multiple cars they maintain, have restored and are in the process of restoration. Will post sone pics once I get them downloaded from my phone.
    Thanks Craig!

    Cheers

    AK


    Would appreciate any further input from my felllow FChatter about issues to address while the car is in for service.
     
  2. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
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    Clarksville, Tennessee
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    Terry H Phillips
    Alex- HE does not make a tensioner bearing for the V12s because the OEM design is fine. They do get their bearings directly from SKF, Ferrari's OEM supplier, though, so specify Ricambi, who gets their tensioner bearings from HE, or HE.

    If your 456 does not have it already, I would recommend updating the tensioner brackets that was updated in the 1997 timeframe. The updated bracket continued through the 612. Those brackets bring you up to 575M/612 standards and you should be good for 5 years.

    171060 PULLEY BRACKET : Ricambi America

    There are actually five hoses that need to be replaced, but the 575M only had three silicone hoses and SRI is the source for the other two.

    If the cam seals are leaking, the cams have to be pulled, so might as well check valve clearances after she is reassembled unless it was documented as done recently. Are they going to degree the cams? Assembly marks are not always accurate and, if they are, you will know for the next belt change.

    Cleaning the fuel injectors will probably really help, and a bottle of injectore cleaner periodically will keep them that way.

    Glad you found techs you can trust. That is the real secret to enjoying Ferrari ownership.
     
  3. AKINSB

    AKINSB Formula Junior

    Feb 15, 2013
    502
    Santa Barbara
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    Alex K
    Terry

    Thanks for all the advice and guidance. I really appreciate all of your input. I have verified with FastCars and the will be checking valve clearances, all five hoses and degreeing the cams and using the updated bracket. I forwarded your post to Craig and he assures me they will doing all as you described.

    I do not quite follow the first paragraph of your post:

    Alex- HE does not make a tensioner bearing for the V12s because the OEM design is fine. They do get their bearings directly from SKF, Ferrari's OEM supplier, though, so specify Ricambi, who gets their tensioner bearings from HE, or HE.

    So OEM is the Ferrari bearing. Is the Ricambi a Hill Eng bearing? Are they different? How is Ricambi different from OEM?

    Please clarify

    Also, if you are ever in Santa Barbara please contact me. I certainly would like to take you out for a nice dinner for all your time you have spent in responding to my posts. Your extensive accurate knowledge is truly appreciated!

    Cheers

    AK
     
  4. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
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    Terry H Phillips
    Alex- Hill Engineering (HE) does not make a tensioner bearing/pulley for the 456-612 series. There was nothing wrong with the OEM bearing, except Ferrari is now buying them from the Chinese, and you do not want a set of those. Just ask Ron. HE does buy the OEM bearings directly from Ferrari's original supplier, SKF, inspects every one, and those are the ones you want. Ricambi carries HE products, including the SKF bearings, so make sure the tensioners/pulleys come from one of those two sources.
     
  5. philfrench

    philfrench Karting

    Jan 3, 2012
    104
    France
    Hello Terry
    Nice input for every F chatter Many thanks!
    The F tensionner bearings are from a Milanese factory .You can phone them if you want because there are some adresses on the plastic bag (not yellow box) The plastic sides are more red than orange .more Italian than Chinese !!! I have them for two years from Modena Motors Ferrari Cannes and i take very often time 7000 rpm ! I think everybody is afraid because they are not blue....see Bradan blue cogs bearings new....they were greasy when new and he had to change then for Skf ones from Dave.....
    .See Morfan Skf camsbearings ...greasy when new .He had to change them from Dave Skf ones tested.
    Some batch Skf batch were bad but indeed we must be very carefull for these bearings and once a year i think it is better to watch behind the belts covers how it looks.. Oil leaks,grease leakage and so on.
    And enjoy a very nice car ....and sound...
     
  6. AKINSB

    AKINSB Formula Junior

    Feb 15, 2013
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    Alex K
    Terry

    Upon doing the major service which are the five hoses to be replaced? Is it part of the Ricambi package below?

    Simply stated, the best coolant hose money can buy. At Scuderia Rampante Innovations we designed this hose to far exceed any requirements we have on the Ferrari's and to last multiple services if installed properly. This is not a "siliconized" consumer grade hose, this is 100% Silicone, as good as it gets in every respect.

    This is a complete coolant hose kit for the 456GT and 456M. It contains:

    1 x 181599 Plenum hose
    1 x 179037 Upper radiator hose
    1 x 175223 Lower waterpump connection hose
    1 x 175643 Radiator delivery pipe
    1 x 155616 Expansion tank to pump hose
    1 x 155618 Expansion tank hose
    1 x 155617 Expansion tank hose
    1 x 155619 Upper radiator vent hose

    Or are they listed on this page?
    http://www.ricambiamerica.com/images/diagrams/full/456GT_25.jpg

    I see
    #45 =181599
    #50 =175223

    What are the numbers of the other hoses which should be replaced during this service? Which five? I am so green that I am lost in the diagrams. The complete Ricambi kit seems to replace all radiator hoses( total of 8), however I am looking to replace the ones that hard to get to at this time. Which are the other three? Does the packet include all 5 hoses which you suggest?

    Any help would be appreciated

    Aimlessly lost

    AK
     
  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
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    Alex- Will pull them up for you tomorrow. The SRI kit basically changes every water hose up front. The ones you can reach are not normally the problem, naturally. It is the ones under the plenum that are expensive to reach and tend to go bad, or just as bad, tend to clog for the smaller hoses. I know I have done this before, but do not remember when or in which thread.
     
  8. AKINSB

    AKINSB Formula Junior

    Feb 15, 2013
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    Alex K
    #8 AKINSB, Jun 4, 2013
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2013
    Terry

    I am wondering whether I should just have all the SRI hoses replaced which come in the package and not have to worry about any of them down the road. Hoses do not appear to come individually at Ricambi. I assume this package is Dave Helm Scuderia hoses. I bet buying several hoses individual will approach the whole package.

    Also with respect to the leak, could the oil they saw, without removing the belt cover, and since the seals were done just 16 months ago, could the leak be coming from the lower crank cover and be spread around that area by the belt? I guess they will be able to tell when the work starts today and the cover is removed. Please excuse the lack of knowledge, however I am trying to approach this in an analytical process. I am sure I will get guidance from Craig at Fast Cars but am trying to " measure twice and cut once" !

    Will have them replace the temperature sensors for the fans and replace the water pump seal while "they are there". Do feel this is wise ? Or should I wait until a problem arises? Any other suggestions for preventive work at this stage that I should consider. Have already decided on the Ricambi tensioners and the updated pulley brackets. Hope this service does not break the bank!

    Your guidance is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks again!

    AK
     
  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jul 19, 2008
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    Terry H Phillips
    Alex- I do not know if Daniel sells separate SRI hoses or not, or if Dave (SRI) does. Doing the whole lot would definitely bulletproof the system. Just be advised some owners have had better luck with different clamps than those supplied by SRI, unless they have been updated. Best to ask Daniel or Dave on that question.
     
  10. TZ 750

    TZ 750 Formula Junior

    Jul 18, 2009
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    I have two (2) 456 cars, a '95 6-speed and a '99 Mgt Auto.
    Both are currently getting BOTH the Scuderia Rampante (SRI)
    (Dave Helms) Gold Connecter Kits AND the Hose kits.

    When we pull the intake manifolds, we will also do the
    cam seals and the associated intake gaskets.

    Be able to "forget about it" for a few years.

    Gotta love 'em, but gotta work on 'em !

    Scott
     

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