Oil pan / gasket

Good news for her if its a dry sump. Wonder why the salesman told me the Roma is wet sump. I would obviously prefer a dry sump motor. Doesn't make sense for Ferrari to make a significant change to what would otherwise be the same motor. Do you know for sure the Roma is wet sump? I hope so, that would be good news.

 

Guess it depends what year it is. Original Cali was wet sump and then went to dry sump in 2015 with the Cali T to lower the motor to make room for the turbo. With the amount of oil in the photo it is probably a pre- 2015 Cali.
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/should-the-engine-be-warmed-up-in-the-morning.381317/
https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/36382/2015-ferrari-california-t-the-one-to-dream-about/

I would like to definitively know what the Roma is...wet or dry sump. My guess is its a dry sump.

 

It looks like her car is a 2013,which makes it a California 30. Unfortunately,that makes it a wet sump.

 

Sammi: If your wet-sump engine was indeed running for five minutes without oil,you should have the engine checked out before spending money on other repairs. The good news is that the synthetic oil may well have prevented any engine damage.

 

It's a positive that it was only idling. Here's hoping it's okay.

Aside from potential engine damage, I wonder if the repairs would be far more reasonable at a body shop that is familiar with Ferraris -- the labor rate is almost certainly a lot less and they will be used to dealing with damage like that, and more inclined to repair instead of just ordering new parts at list prices.

I really don't see how this is not an insurance issue, and a comprehensive one at that -- there was no collision with another vehicle, it was road debris.

 

Is it a collision or comprehensive claim?
"Whether a road hazard accident will fall under your collision or comprehensive coverage depends upon how the incident occurred.

If you hit a fallen tree or big rock in the road, then it’s a collision insurance claim because you collided with the object. Instead, if the tree fell on your vehicle or a boulder rolled onto the hood of your vehicle, then most auto insurers would find the accident to be a comprehensive insurance claim.

Whatever the damage, if the cost of repairs is minimal, it might not be worth filing a claim with your auto insurance provider, either because it doesn’t reach your deductible amount or is barely above it."

 

Good catch by you and gw32. Sounds like wet and agree that she should check before spending the money. Also, at some point you are better to file for insurance and take the hit on accident depreciation/ resale. This isn’t a new 400k 812. If it’s 20k to fix and the car is worth 100 to 120k how much depreciation will you really get. I know a Ferrari w accident history is bad but 20% hit or more? Don’t know the answer there

 

I would say that the first priority is to evaluate the engine. Install a new pan (or possibly patch the damaged one temporarily),put in oil,and see how it sounds. If it were my engine,I would want to remove the valve covers and look for signs of oil starvation. Given what I have read for decades about good synthetic oils,the engine is probably fine. Then you can move on to having your insurance company or personal attorney press a claim.

 

If the car has substantial frame damage (as it appears from the photos), best outcome would be that the motor is also damaged and the total cost to fix the frame damage and motor plus 'depreciated value' due to stigma associated with a damaged/repaired car is considerable. It might be possible to get the insurance company to considered it a "total loss". That way she gets a check for the cars pre-accident value, less the deductible. There was an interesting article on this subject in Sports Car Market, Legal Files a couple of months ago. The key is getting the insurance company to accept the diminished value of a car that was damaged and repaired due to loss of interest from most prospective buyers. Specialty insures like Haggerty understand this concept and will act accordingly. Lots of assumptions in this hypotheses but worth keeping in mind if the repair bill estimate is substantial. If so, it might be worthwhile to engage an attorney knowledgably with auto insurance claims.
My sympathies to the OP, as in any event this is going to be a major hassle.

 

gw32: I sure hope you are wrong about the frame!

Sammi: Keep us posted.

 

Any update on the damage/repair?


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If you can repair for it $8k and they will pay you $81k, that is hard to resist. As long as you realize you'll pretty much be married to it, a Ferrari is a challenge to sell with a ding on the Carfax, let alone a totaled and repaired car.

If you mean they can repair it for $8k less than the offered payoff, run away from the car.

I think you would be very happy in a California T.

 

Sammi, you have to ask yourself if you'll feel uneasy every time you get in the car. Also, if you repair it and put it up for sale at a later date, how much of a hit will you take on the price? I assume you'd disclose such a major repair, and that alone might scare away potential buyers. Cali T's from what I've read here are wonderful cars, and it seems there are plenty on the market, so you may find a good deal. We'd all love it if you stayed in the Ferrari family!

 

Sorry to hear the damage was so extensive but it looked that way from the photos. I'd take the money and move on to your next automotive adventure. I'd say Cali T or Portofino over 570's.

 

Get a California T. They are model years 2015-2018. Many were sold,so many are on the market at bargain prices compared to new. If you liked your California 30,you will like a T even more. Best of all would be a T with the optional performance package called Handling Speciale.

 

I would be sorry to hear of that happening to any car, but it is really heartbreaking when it is a special car. We are ready for Pothole City in the Midwest in the wake of a cold, snowy winter. I shudder to think of the damage one pothole could cause!

 

Ultimately what matters is what most stirs your passions for the amount of money that you want to spend. I wouldn't trade my (modified) Portofino for anything else from Ferrari or any other company. Buy what turns you on.