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oil pressure light came on/over heated oil radiator mixed help?

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  1. weebz69

    weebz69 Karting

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    #1 weebz69, Aug 8, 2014
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    Hey guys I have some awesome luck. Lol I wish.

    I just bought a 2001 Ferra ri 360 F1 Spyder with 29k miles. I bought it from a guy who only owned it for two months and claims he was selling it only because he lost his job, price was 72k which I thought was a steal. He just picked it up for 82k.

    So I picked it up last Thursday, haven't really been beating on it maybe threw it close to redline maybe three times or so.

    Well the first day I had it the oil pressure light turned on when I would go to idle. So I check the oil. ...car warm and idling and just setting the cap on it not screwing it down it ended up barely touching the stick. So I added 3/4 quart rechecked it and it was 1/4 away from being full. So I said close enough.

    Well I then drove it around and the oil pressure light never came back on. So tonight I ran some errands with my 360 putting around town not going any higher than 4k rpm. Went through the drive through to grab some food and notice it starting to stink like burning oil almost like tranny fluid smell. So I came to a stop light looked at my gages my oil pressure was zero light was on I revd it up like 1k rpm light went off pressure went up....so I made it home and thought man i need to check the oil.

    I got the car in the garage checked the oil fast when I did it was 1/4 over full? Rechecked it same thing...then motor started to make noises I ran and shut it off after I shut it off it was whistling and making bubbling Noises. I turned the key on to see oil temps oil temperature was fine but radiator temperature was in the red but not high enough for the light to turn on.

    So here I look under the car like they quarters of oil radiator mixed. I texted the old owner and he thinks it is the rear crank seal. I would think that would make since but would radiator fluid be in there too? What do you guys think it is? Or has this happened to anyone else?
     
  2. Mozella

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    It's not clear what you're saying. Perhaps you made some typographical errors or perhaps English is not your native tongue.

    Are you saying that three quarters of the oil was on your garage floor mixed with coolant? I hope not.

    Or do you mean that about three quarts of liquid was under the car, a mixture of oil and coolant?

    In either case, it's not good.

    Coolant can escape in a short period, especially after a drive, if you idle the car for very long. Usually it's caused by an over filled coolant tank or perhaps your radiator fans don't come on properly. The fix for this might be simple and cheap.

    As for the oil, that's a bad sign and not likely to be fixed easily. You may have a tired or abused engine as evidenced by the low oil pressure. But if oil escapes in any quantity, you should look into it immediately. It might very well be the crankshaft seal; if you're lucky, that is. Replacing the seal isn't nearly as expensive as re-building the engine, but it will be more than the cost of a few beers.

    I think you're beginning to realize why you got such a "good deal". Did you have the car examined by an expert mechanic before you bought it? If so, did he comment about the low oil pressure?

    Time to take it to a good mechanic.
     
  3. MPtolomey

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    Sounds like the heat exchanger has failed. Mine was replaced at 15K miles by the prior owner with a story similar to yours. Plan on between 3K - 5K for a repair. My invoices show a total of $4,600 from Ferrari as there where 4 additional coolant flushes required to get the oil out of the cooling system.
     
  4. English Rebel

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    I think the OP was referring to engine oil but thinking about it you may be right. If his water temperature is high then transmission oil getting into the coolant would certainly cause that. He says his engine oil level was higher than when he added ¾ quart but that would not be unusual but the oil pressure issue adds confusion. Engine oil and coolant mix would IMO be an unlikely scenario, but transmission oil and coolant is certainly possible and has happened to a few FChatters including your previous owner. This is why I just replaced mine as a precautionary measure.
    Alan
     
  5. kitchenaid

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    Scary that PPI would not have picked something that dramatic up (if PPI was done?)
     
  6. English Rebel

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    Any PPI done before the car was sold would not be pick that up as it only just failed. It would only show up in a PPI if it had failed prior to the inspection.
    Alan
     
  7. kitchenaid

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    yeah but this is what he said:

    "Well the first day I had it the oil pressure light turned on when I would go to idle."

    So it would be really unfortunate if thorough PPI was done, then the first day he has the car it exhibits that issue -- seems unlikely doesn't it?
     
  8. MPtolomey

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    Alan,

    If the temp was high as the OP mentioned, tolerances change which could give the lower oil pressure. He needs to have the transmission oil checked for coolant...

    My dollar bet is on the heat exchanger
     
  9. MPtolomey

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    These cars are notorious for oil pressure sender issues (several just posted recently), combine that with high temps and that "could" explain the oil pressure issue. Oil and water mixed and leaking screams heat exchanger which would/could also give the cause to the high temps.

    I would trouble shoot the exchanger 1st to remove it from the equation.
     
  10. vrsurgeon

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    1. Unscrew the coolant reservoir (between the air boxes), is the fluid nice and clear? Is there any oil floating in there? How much coolant is in the reservoir?

    2. When you take out the dipstick.. is there any light residue on it? Wil llook like curd?

    3. Where is this "quarter" of fluid located? front of car? In between rear wheels?

    Best thing to do is to rasie the rear of the car on ramps, drop the rear pan and have a look-see. Drain oil and examine for coolant/water. replace with decent oil..

    Question is.. if the oil/water intercooler failed, then might explain low oil pressure, overheating might also be explained by failure as well. Oil pressure issue as above could also be just a bad sender that is common and easy to fix.
     
  11. SCKOMS

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    I hate reading these posts...they make me start to worry about my own car...it's like when you read about some obscure disease and then you start to convince yourself that you have the symptoms!

    I hope the OP's problem is not a serious one!
     
  12. MPtolomey

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    Any update on this?
     
  13. English Rebel

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    I hear you. I just had my heat exchanger replaced as a preventive measure and the old one was clean as a whistle -- but that doesn't mean it would not have failed.
    If the OP has seen a mixture of oil and coolant under his car then it would point to a serious problem but we can always hope for the best. Those two fluids can only come together in one place -- the transmission heat exchanger. :(
    Alan
     
  14. weebz69

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    Yep the heat exchanger is what it was. The reason I could tell is I check my radiator coolant and it's empty but with a film of tranny oil in lol. NOT GOOD LOL. Yeah a new heat exchanger is 925...plus labor and flushing both the tranny and coolant system pricey I bet. Now far as the oil pressure light I am going to have them check out the sender unit. I hear those things give us crappy readings on our 360s, so I hope it's just wiring
     
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  16. weebz69

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    Sorry if you couldn't understand what I wrote I was pretty drunk because what happened to my ferrari. From what it looks like my heat exchanger took a dump on me. Because what leaked out was tranny fluid and coolant. And in my coolant overflow container thingy it's empty but with a film of tranny fluid in it. I'll let you guys all know what Ferrari has to say about it and what it'll cost me.
     
  17. English Rebel

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    Mine was around $1800 parts and labor with my FCA 10% discount but not including any fluids or flushing. I would highly recommend joining FCA as you will save the subscription fee with the discount you get on your repair. Sorry about your problem -- owning a Ferrari is not cheap.
    Alan
     
  18. weebz69

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    Sweet I'll look into it.
     
  19. vrsurgeon

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    weebz,

    It'll be fine. Replace the part and then the hard part is flushing out the old gunk from the engine block and the transmission. Seems dishwasher fluid might be good to use in the coolant system. Fill, flush, etc. Transmission is more challenging. They may want to disassemble the tranny. If it happens to me I'm going to experiment which alcohol/detergent/oil combinations eliminate the sludge in the tranny the best.
     
  20. MPtolomey

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    Did you get the het exchanger replaced? Did that solve your problems?
     
  21. weebz69

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    It's at the shop as we speak right now. I looked at doing it and when it came to pulling the access engine cover off I said yep I'm gonna break something so I decided to let the pros do it. I'll let you know once I get it back. Parts I did order were heat exchanger and oil pressure sender. When I dropped it off they looked at it and said more than likely that was the problem.
     
  22. English Rebel

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    I trust that the shop is smart enough to replace the intake manifold gaskets while they're in there -- only $24 for a set. Another weak point for 360s I believe.
    Alan
     
  23. sparetireless

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    when fully warm, they almost all do it at idle, it means nothing in a of itself,

    oil and water mixed is a big deal.
     
  24. English Rebel

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    I have never had mine come on even when the transmission and engine coolant were very hot. Yes oil and water mix is bad.
    Alan
     

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