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  1. Dale Goodman

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    Hi. My oil temp gauge is not working on my 1988 328 GTS. I’ve tried inspecting and cleaning the terminals on the sensor. Any suggestions on how to test the oil temp sensor rather than paying $150 for a new one or tearing into the dashboard and checking the oil temp gauge ? Thank you


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  2. Steve Magnusson

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    #2 Steve Magnusson, Oct 28, 2018
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    Do this test:

    1. (With the ignition key "on") Unplug the wire from the sender (107576) -- note gauge reading.

    2. (With ignition key "on") Touch the (unplugged) wire going to the sender directly to ground (like the nearby bare engine) -- note gauge reading.

    If the gauge changes from the "min" to "max" reading for the two conditions -- good sign for gauge/wiring/power and bad sign for sender.

    If the gauge doesn't changes from the "min" to "max" reading for the two conditions -- bad sign for gauge/wiring/power.
     
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  3. Dale Goodman

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    Unfortunately grounding the wire going to the gauge did not work.(no needle movement)I pulled the dash apart. With the ignition switch in the on position there is no voltage going to the gauge itself. Is this a problem? Is there a way to test the gauge now that I’ve taken it out of the vehicle? I’m reading about six mega ohms of resistance across the terminals on the thermal couple oil temperature sensor When it is disconnected from the wiring harness.
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

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    Yes, no +12V is a serious problem that needs to be corrected. To test the oil temp gauge out of the vehicle:

    1. Apply +12V to the "+" terminal on the gauge (the schematic shows there should be a little "+" symbol on the case of the gauge, and this terminal would connect to the VB, green-white, wire in the harness)
    2. Apply ground to the "-" terminal (this terminal would be connected to the N, black, wire in the harness)
    3. Also apply ground to the terminal connected to the oil thermistor (the schematic shows there should be a "C" symbol on the case of the gauge, and this terminal would connect to the M, brown, wire in the harness)

    The gauge needle should go to maximum under those conditions.

    If you don't have +12V on the VB, green-white, wire in the harness with the key "on", check fuse #21, but, if fuse #21 is blown, your speedometer/odometer shouldn't work either - do those work?

    Not good. The oil temp sensor is a thermistor (not a thermocouple). Just to be sure that we are talking about the same thing, please confirm that the oil temp sensor you are working with is item 34 here:

    https://www.ricambiamerica.com/car-diagrams/ferrari/v6-v8/328-group/328-1985/lubrication-system.html
     
  5. Dale Goodman

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    Thank you for your quick response! Amazing! I meant thermistor. There is a blown 7.5 amp fuse going to the circuit labeled instrument display. I replaced this but to no avail. Instead of running another wire, I moved the 12 V power supply going to the clock to the plus terminal on the oil temperature gauge. No response. I assume that the brown and black wires are grounded to the chassis but I can run a jumper and disconnect those wires to be sure.
     
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    That's fine for doing a test, but you're going to have to get fuse #21 to not blow as this runs a whole bunch of other stuff besides the oil temp gauge. If you don't have a copy, you can download the non-abs 328 wiring diagram here:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/vsxcnaheq1igub4/328%20US%201986%201987%20wiring%20diagram%20book%20440_86.pdf?dl=0
    (If your 1988 328 is a very late 1988 with the convex wheels, give a shout and I can get a link up for that wiring diagram -- but, for the oil temp gauge system, they should be the same.)

    The black wire in the harness is always connected to ground, but the brown wire in the harness would only be connected to ground if you connect it to ground at the end in the engine bay.
     
  7. Dale Goodman

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    Update. Making good progress. 12 V is indeed going to the gauge after changing the fuse. When I grounded the negative terminal on the gauge,the needle moves to the right full-scale. I went back under and I disconnected the thermistor wires. I touched the open naked bullet connector to ground but the gauge did not move. The connector has a red and black wire and a green and black wire. The thermistor is located on the right side of the oil drain when viewed underneath the vehicle.


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  8. Steve Magnusson

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    No, that's the speedometer/odometer sensor. The oil temp thermistor is located on the forward facing side of the engine oil sump and only has a single wire -- see the SPC figure link in post #4 - item 34.
     
  9. Dale Goodman

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    Update number two. I am getting 12 V at the green and white wire underneath the car going to the thermistor. Correction. The other wire going to thermistor is black and red.
     
  10. Dale Goodman

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    Mine is a May1988.Convex wheels. No ABS. Would you be able to tell me if the thermistor is accessed from under the vehicle or from above? I really appreciate your help! Image Unavailable, Please Login


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  11. Dale Goodman

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    I found the wire. It was loose and oily. I cleaned it & touched it to ground and the oil temp meter moved. Warming up the car now. It’s on a lift so I’m not gonna be able to drive it but once the engine reaches temperature, the gauge should move. If it doesn’t I’ll just replace the thermistor. Thanks again for your help[emoji3]


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  12. Steve Magnusson

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    #12 Steve Magnusson, Nov 1, 2018
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    Now that you are fondling the right gizmo, it sounds like you are making progress ;) Now that you know that the oil temp gauge works, you can also make a resistance at the unplugged oil temp thermistor to better confirm/deny if it needs replacing. Don't quote me exactly on this, but, IIRC, the resistance measured from the unplugged terminal of the thermistor to the brass body of the thermistor should be something like:

    at 25 deg C = 2K Ohms

    at 100 deg C = a few hundred Ohms

    So, if the resistance of the unplugged thermistor itself measured meg Ohms or infinite Ohms at 25 deg C = you know it's bad.
     

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