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  1. AnotherDunneDeal

    AnotherDunneDeal F1 Veteran

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    I have acquired some older manuals on aeronautics, body in flight, ignition progress and several other in extremely good conditions that I am considering selling. Do any of you guys have an interest in these sorts of publications or know of the possible values of such. I am going to begin my research on values next week but thought if any of you are interested I will give you first shot.

    They are:
    1. Selected Topics in Aerospace Technology,
    a compilation of lectures give at Arnold Center as part of the Work-Study program, summers of 1961-1962. Edited by R.L. Young.
    ARO, INc., a subsidiary of Sverdrup and Parcel, Inc., Headquarters, AEDC-Air Force Systems Command, USAF, University of Tennessee_Graduate School, AEDC Branch

    2. National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, Technical note No 1026,
    Charts of Thermodynamic properties of fluids encountered in calculations for internal combustion engine cycles.
    by H.C. Hottel and G.C Williams, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    May 1946

    3.National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics,
    Technical note 3182,
    Manual of the ICAC Standard Atmosphere calculations by the NACA
    International Civil Aviation Organization, Montreal, Canada and Langley Aeronautical Laboratory, Langley Field, Va.
    May 1954

    4.The Handling and Storage of Liquid Propellants
    Department of Defense
    Office of the Director of Defense Research and Engineering
    Washington, D.C , March 1961

    5. Your Body in Flight
    Department of the Air Force
    Air Force manual 51-7
    Foreward by N.F. Twining, Chief of Staff, USAF
    February 1954

    6. Ignition Progress
    Condenser and Ignition Coil Development
    by H.L. Hartzell, Engineer
    Delco-Remy Division, General Motors Corporation
    DR-5091
    May 4, 1948

    These are not hardback books but bound documents. #1 is several hundred pages long, #3 and #4 are approximately 100 pages each. #2 and #5 are about 50 pages and #6 is 26 pages long. All are in very good shape with no tears or dogears and #2 still has the original fold-out chart that came with the publication in 1946.

    Anyone have any interest in these. The calculations they contain are so far over my head I cannot imagine but I know there are a lot of engineers, pilots and others on here who love these things. I am interested to hear back.
     
  2. AntonyR

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    you try FerrariChat's affiliate site?

    I forgot the link


    Antony
     
  3. AntonyR

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    wrong link
     
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    Jul 5, 2003
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  5. AntonyR

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  6. ^@#&

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    too much hair gel leak into your brain? :D :D
     
  7. AnotherDunneDeal

    AnotherDunneDeal F1 Veteran

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    Thanks,

    I will go take a look.

    These are interesting manuals. I have been looking through them and actually am quite intrigued by them. Very technical stuff.
     
  8. AnotherDunneDeal

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    Okay, I just registered over on Aviatorchat and posted about the manuals. I will wait and see how they respond.

    The one from the Delco-Remy engineer is interesting to read. Old automotive electrical stuff from almost sixty years ago. It is amazing how long that technology stayed around before we went to electronics.....
     
  9. FarmerDave

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    Glad to see you shook the "Shiloh" monkey off your back. :)
     
  10. AnotherDunneDeal

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    Yeah, it was getting a little heavy to carry. My son still comes in and looks around every once in a while, so it could creep back in again......I hope not....Thanks for noticing.

    Now if I can just get someone interested in these manualsssssssssssss
     
  11. rammsteinmatt

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    they would be cool and interesting. but im not sure what i would do with them since i am using publications from 1990+ in my studies (aerospace engineering)

    what are you looking to get for them (ok, i gave in - i have to know) feel free to post or PM me
     
  12. AnotherDunneDeal

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    I really do not know what to ask for them. I thought I might do a little research on them first. I did a google search last night and found that the Princeton library contains many of the technical notes but apparently does not have the two that I have. Of course, being a library, they would want me to donate them.

    I saw one of the Body in Flight manuals from WW2 on Ebay for a starting bid of $49.95 but no one had bid on it. It is the one of poorest quality of the lot that I have. It apparently was a copy that was handed out to a class when they first came out. The rest are original in every way and in excellent condition. I only wish I could understand the equations. You would probably be quite amused at the findings they came to----fifty years ago..........

    The Coil and Condensor manual is a lecture that this gentleman was giving to a group about early ignition development in stationary and moving machinery. He even speaks of beginning electronics in ignitions as early as the 1930's. Lots of charts on using a cathod ray ocillioscope to measure ignition output and power loss. Very interesting stuff. I read it last night in bed...........Now wasn't that exciting??

    I will sell them but I need to check just a little deeper. If you can think of a value you think might sound right, PM me and I will certainly consider it. Otherwise, I will get back to you the first of the week........Sound fair??
     
  13. PWehmer

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    Might look on and list on:

    www.abebooks.com

    Lots of classic books for sale on there.
    I've looked around on it. Can you imagine paying $30K for a book? Guess someone somewhere collects everything.
     
  14. rammsteinmatt

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    awesome
     
  15. AnotherDunneDeal

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    I went to this site and entered each of the manuals that I listed. None of them were able to be located. Probably because they are not books but government manuals.

    NACA was the forerunner to present day NASA and the findings and calculations in the manuals are basically for research use.

    Example: The Handling and Storage of LIquid Propellants
    Issued by Office of the Director of Defense Research and Engineering
    Washington 25, D.C. March 1961
    The working group who consulted on this manual were:
    Mr. W. Paul Henderson-(Chairman)
    Army Chemical Center, Maryland

    Mr. Everett Bruer
    Pacific Missile Range

    Mr. Joseph F. Bruno
    Picatinny Arsenal

    Mr. Earl W. Cox-(Secretary)
    Liquid Propellant Information Agency

    Mr. L.V. Fernandez Jr.
    White Sands Missile Range

    Mr. Forrest S. Forbes (Vice Chairman)
    Air Force Flight Test Center

    Mr. Donald I. Graham Jr.
    Army Rocket and Guided Missile Agency

    Mr. Glen Hennings
    National Aeronautics and Space Administration

    Mr. Robert C. Herman
    Armed Services Explosive Safety Board

    Mr. Keith H. Jacobson
    Army Chemical Center, Maryland

    Mr. James E. Malcolm
    Fort Belvoir, Va.

    Mr. Frank D. Mayes
    White Sands MIssile Range

    Mr. J.K. Schmidt
    Elgin Air Force Base

    Mr. Frederick Thompson
    Wright Air Development Division


    Some of the liquid propellants they discuss are: Alcohols, Anhydrous Ammonia, Aniline, Chlorine Trifluoride, Ethylene Oxide, Fluorine, Hydrazine, Unsym. Dimethylhydrazine, Hydrocarbon fuels, Hydrogen Peroxide, Liquid Oxgen, Fuming Nitric Acids, n-Propyl Nitrate, LIquid Nitrogen, Alkyl Boranes,Nitrogen Tetroxide, Ferchloryl, Fluoride and Liquid Hydrogen.

    I read the description on Fluorine, a gas I had no knowledge of, and was amazed at how dangerous it really is. Did I say this is interesting stuff? The more I read about these things the more interested I become in finding out more............
     
  16. AnotherDunneDeal

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    Found out the NACA technical notes were used widely as the accepted best practices for the topic on which they were written. The more I read thru them the more interesting they become.
     
  17. ashsimmonds

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    i rewrote (transcribed :rolleyes: ) the pilot and space-waitress training manuals for an aussie airline 6 months before they went belly-up. :p
     
  18. Prova7

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    I've got a couple hard bound training manuals each published in the late '30's.

    The first book belonged to my great uncle and was his textbook when he entered school in 1934 to learn to repair aircraft. It covers such things as how to properly splice, glue and nail a wooden wing spar, patch fabric, tension wire etc. The final chapter looks into the future and freaks out about the first all metal airplanes :p

    On ebay I found a companion book from the same publisher and era that handles aircraft engine maintenance and rebuild. I paid less than $40 for it.

    I don't think they are worth much money but I love thumbing through them on occasion.
     

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