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One job creates 3 more!

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  1. LB427SC

    LB427SC Karting

    Aug 5, 2021
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    Hi folks. So I replaced the heater hose from the engine block to the front heater matrix over the past 2 days. I have significantly less skin than when I started but its done thank the lord. Never again!

    As seems to be the norm with old cars whilst I was in there 3 more jobs appeared! Can I ask for some more advice please!!

    1. There is a small vacuum line disconnected from somewhere. I found it when I took the rear drivers side wheel arch liner out. It runs into the boot area at the upper edge of the rear wheel arch (I'm going to guess into the ignition boxes to drive advance?) The engine end was just loose under the arch liner out, looked like it had been torn.
    I can't see anywhere obvious it goes onto the intake manifold area? Does this require manifold vacuum? Easy enough to T in somewhere but I'd like to put it back where it's supposed to be in case there is a vacuum leak.
    2. Whilst underneath I spotted this horror (see pic of blocked off pipe)! Underneath the the front head. What is it supposed to be connected to? I've put 3.5k miles on the car with it like this so it doesn't seem to be causing problems but I'd like to put it right.
    3. OK this one started a few weeks back! My aircon belt makes a racket until its warm up or I spray it. Aircon doesn't work so I was going to ditch the belt completely when I do the cambelts this summer, but I can't see if it runs anything else from the top. If it's just the aircon pump I was thinking of simply cutting it and removing it for now, but if its running something else then clearly I can't.


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  2. bitsobrits

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    #2 (the picture) looks like it might be blocking the air injection tubes for the front head. That's assuming your car originally had air injection into the exhaust ports.
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

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    Is this a 1982 US version 308i 2-valve or a 1983 US version 308QV living in Wales? (Your Profile is not clear on this point.)

    1. You definitely need the intake vacuum to be reaching the Digiplex ECUs (otherwise, the low-to-mid-load, mid-band RPM performance will be terrible) -- so confirm/deny this no matter what, and fix it, if necessary. The charcoal canister for the US version also lives in the RR area so the disconnected vacuum line could be for that (if the charcoal canister has been removed -- it looks like a lot of your US emission stuff is gone).

    2. As bitsobrits posted, that's blocking off the front air injection manifold. Not the best way to do things. Try a search using "air injection nozzles" for prior threads about the proper way to remove a US version air injection system.

    3. The AC belt only runs the AC Compressor, but you must have something else wrong if spraying the belt with a proper v-belt dressing doesn't give many months of improvement. When you do your timing belt change, shim the AC Compressor axis to be as close as possible to the Crankshaft axis = this will increase the v-belt's wrap angle on the idler pulley and should help the situation.
     
  4. Rifledriver

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    If the vacuum hose is for the advance it attaches to the intake plenum on a small hose nipple more or less above the oil filter.

    Attaching it will possibly drop the idle speed. If that happens the big allen screw with a tension spring on it on the throttle is the idle speed adjustment screw. adjust it for about 1000 RPM warm.
     
  5. LB427SC

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    Hi folks.

    Steve, it’s neither. it’s a Euro car, 82 2v. exported to the US in 82 until it came back to Europe in 89. It has some US kit on it, side markers, front bumper. Does that change the air injection situation with it being a Euro car?

    I’m guessing they put the minimum necessary on to get it on the road in the US or else when it got back to Europe most of it was stripped back off. It disappeared into storage in Switzerland for 31 years so history on it is very patchy.

    I”ll check the vac pipe but I can’t see it heading anywhere else in the boot so looks like it’s disconnected. I’ll reconnect and adjust idle if needed. Be interesting to see how much difference in performance there is once it’s no longer retarded at higher load.

    AC belt i just tried some silicone spray to check it was the belt making the noise. If it runs nothing else, I’ll just take the belt off, it’s not doing anything useful anyway.

    Once again chaps, the help is much appreciated!
     
  6. Steve Magnusson

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    That's an even worse case of molestation ;). I believe the euro 308i-2V heads are not machined for the air injector nozzles -- so either they did the machining when it was imported to the US to add them, or they put a set of US heads on it. Either way, if you look at some of the pictures in those "air injector nozzle" threads, and compare them to you car, you should be able to figure things out. The air injection nozzles on the 2-valves obstruct the exhaust port (so good reason to remove them and replace them with appropriate threaded plugs), and without the cold air from the air pump blowing thru the air injection manifolds and nozzles, they just degrade and fail apart more quickly.
     
  7. LB427SC

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    Ok, I’ll check some prior threads and see if I can figure out what’s on earth is going on! So it would have had a smog pump on it somewhere too?
     
  8. Rifledriver

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    Mounted on the left end of the rear head. Its driven via belt off the rear exhaust cam.

    On a Euro car, who knows? May have had electric pump.
     
  9. Rifledriver

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    The bosses were cast in but not drilled.
     
  10. dino1971

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    Could the vacuum line be the one to the brake servo?
     
  11. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    One is about 3mm in diameter. The other about 12mm. They are easy to tell apart.
     
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  12. LB427SC

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    Hi folks. The vacuum line runs above the rear arch liner, and down into the boot where it T”s into both Digiplex boxes. I’ve reconnected it to the manifold and the car is noticeably quicker under load. Not every day you get such a simple performance gain!

    Not been under the car yet to look at the front bank but no no air injectors on the rear exhaust bank, and no smog pump.
     
  13. LB427SC

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    Well you guys were rights. It is an air injection pipe. My car is a Euro that was exported to the US in the 80s. It has had “ports” welded into the underside of each exhaust manifold branch, now welded shut since it came back to Europe in 89
     

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