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One of the 2 cylinder banks not communication correctly;

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  1. luca's308gts

    luca's308gts Karting

    Dec 16, 2016
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    Minneapolis
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    Bill
    Belts, tensioners, front engine cover gaskets, Air Conditioner Compressor, and water pump just replaced. Cams were degreed.
    On cold start rough running; one bank reads correct ambient temperature, other banks defaults to -40.
    Currently Tech is working through the wiring schematic.
    Any ideas or suggestions?

    Thanks
     
  2. AVIMAX

    AVIMAX Formula Junior

    Aug 5, 2014
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    There is only one intake air temp sensor, it's on the RHS intake, so the -40 on one bank makes sense.
     
  3. luca's308gts

    luca's308gts Karting

    Dec 16, 2016
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    Minneapolis
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    Ok thanks and good to know, obviously I was given incorrect information.
    Other symptoms/problems, after initial test ride (subsequent to completion of the belts...) the Check Engine light came on and the code was cylinder 5 misfiring.
    Still trying to find cause & solution.
    One other point, this 550 has the Skunkworks COP ignition.
    Again would appreciate any ideas or suggestions.

    Thanks
     
  4. niftyfivefifty

    niftyfivefifty Formula Junior

    Mar 5, 2007
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    Does it consistently throw a code for #5, or just the one time? Fuel supply issues can possibly throw codes on multiple cylinders on the same bank. These can be caused by overheating pump relays, bad pump motors, clogged pickups, or a clogged fuel filter. The black foam on the fuel pumps in these cars breaks down over time and then wreaks its havoc on the system. The wiring on the pumps is way undersized which causes the pumps to overheat and prematurely fail.

    A few easier ideas you might try before things get a little more complicated:

    Run Royal Purple injector cleaner through ~10 gallons of fuel and see if things improve.
    Swap ECUs and see if the misfire shows on the same bank or follows the ECU.
    Swap the #5 injector with an injector on the other bank and see if the misfire follows the injector.

    Do you happen to have a set of oem plug wires you can use for testing?
     
  5. luca's308gts

    luca's308gts Karting

    Dec 16, 2016
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    Bill
    Thanks for the suggestions. I like the ECU suggestion along with the Injector, however I'm told when it's warm it runs fine?
    And I do have the old ignition, but I've suggested just testing the coil for cylinder 5.
     
  6. niftyfivefifty

    niftyfivefifty Formula Junior

    Mar 5, 2007
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    Good call, swapping the coil might help, though they will perform less effectively when warm so there may be something else. Do you happen to know if the intake manifold gasket has been replaced? A vacuum leak test when the car is cold might be a good idea. That is an issue that can go away when it warms up. I'll keep thinking as well.
     
  7. luca's308gts

    luca's308gts Karting

    Dec 16, 2016
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    Minneapolis
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    Bill
    First, it consistently throws the code. Second a compression & leak down test showed cylinder 6 has a damaged valve which was the result improper installation of the cam. (I do not understand why the code would be for cylinder #5 when the valve issue is with cylinder #6, unless there are at least 2 separate problems.)
    Back to the -40 degree cylinder bank, I've been told that the cylinder bank with the temperature sensor has a connection to the cylinder bank without the sensor. I've also been told that if the ECU thinks that bank is -40 degrees it will call for an excessive amount of fuel at cold start.
    For the record, this is way beyond the general knowledge I have. I am trying to learn enough to ensure my car is properly corrected.
     
  8. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
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    #8 Qavion, Oct 21, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2021
    Just be aware that the commonly available pdf file of the 550 wiring diagrams mis-titles the left and right banks.

    Note that there are actually two coolant temperature sensors. However, the left coolant temp sensor does not talk to its respective ECU, but to the HVAC ECU which I believe sends the data on to the instrument panel water temperature gauge.

    Assuming both bank ECUs need coolant temperature, it must then be up to the Right ECU to send right coolant temperature sensor data to the Left ECU. I have read on the forum that the engine needs to be running for inter-ECU communications to be established. There is a wiring harness which runs between the two ECUs (with a connector dividing the harness in two). It's not clear if the temperature information is sent on an individual wire or via a databus. The dividing connector has 12 pins and is located behind the engine (not easy to get to)

    Anyway, as this is a USA car, I assume it has an OBD port and diagnostics should be easier.
     
  9. 12659

    12659 Formula Junior

    Oct 6, 2005
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    Has your car had the fuel pumps addressed? If not I would check for fuel pressure at the fuel rail of the bank that is not firing.
     
  10. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
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    Sorry, getting my systems mixed up. There is a separate sensor for gauge water temperature.

    Wiring diagram:

    https://www.dropbox.com/t/2xMbAYThAeb82iLp
     

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