Good review by Dan.
The SF transmission that came in the car is still in it, not to mention its a twin disc, the SF internals mated to mechanical shift are spectacular.
Ive also experienced this in circuit racing when "everyones" SMGII was "Faster" (80 Milliseconds) on a shift. Oh the 5th or 4th to second under braking into an apex or hairpin was quite the feet when in a manual its a swift action. Next few days, we will get shifting footage and tach footage of the scud in action, the SF trans with a shifter is something else. MUCHHHHH different from a base F430 Gated manual. The clutch throw is less than half of the base and you can just about flat foot this thing into every gear.
My Converted Base F430 to 6 speed Vs F1 Scud. (Both my brother and I have Circuit Experience) if you have your opinions you are entitled to them. @ShineKen - Not knowing when first bought it did sound like gearing was slightly different between the base and scud. Id love for someone to bring an F1 scud out.
Is it just me?? but... I just watched the videos, but can't help but to feel like it was all just motivated by greed just to hype up the car to flip a profit... That's what irks me the wrong way...it FEELS disingenuous...just guys wanting to make a buck, and in their greed, ruined an amazing car in their arrogance. Someone steer me clear, I don't want to feel this way!!!
Well I donated all my tens of hours working on this project for free as I genuinely wanted to see this car done right. So not everything is the way you think. I didn't earn a dime and I wouldn't accept any either.
Plus we all see what we want to see I guess since when I see that guy who drove the car with big smiles they look totally genuine to me, I don't see a car ruined I see one improved, thats the beautiful thing about opinions and tastes we all have different ones. Otherwise I guess life would be very boring if we all wanted the same sauce...
It's not goor or bad, is just a matter of opinion and needs... I owned a Scud and its gearbox was just perfect , however I will be very interested to see how a manual Scud will perform... For sure the swap doesn't make the car more valuable in this case, but it is a one-off, that someone will want for sure. The perfect scenario will be someone, that already has a Scud to buy it Anyway, so much work has been put in it, so it should be admired for sure. However, such a swap makes much more sense on a base 430, which gearbox has nothing similar to the one in the Scud, which as we all know is the fastest shifting single clutch gearbox in the world ( I think faster than the one in the current Aventador SVJ).
... Well the Superfast gearbox actually improves the gated experience too due to smoother shifting, faster clutch action and improved gear ratios, synchros etc. I was considering to buy a 430 Scud and convert to a gated too but in the end I decided to buy a dual clutch twin turbocharged McLaren 12C instead as it was vastly quicker than the Scud, handled better and is easy to achieve 700hp. Plus mainly because it's quite different to my highly personalized 360 and a gated Scud wouldn't really have been that different an experience.
I think the topic here is different. It's not about fastest shifts at all, but shifts, that are fast and in the same time dramatic... The shifting of my 458 gearbox can be described in only 1 word and that is... boring Same with the McLaren. This is exactly the thing - the Scud gearbox shifts fast and in the same time has drama, because of that little hit in your back, I mean - it still feels mechanical. DCT gearboxes don't have that anymore.
Exactly. Some people would consider that removing of the clunky obsoleted AMT (automated manual transmission) was a godsend. Some love it, same thing could be said for gated too. The outdated single plate technology was never that reliable and was actually designed as an "interim" solution before dual clutch was ready. Its replacement was with something faster and seamless but possibly less involving and appliance like. Again reminds me of debate about gated Vs f1. Dual clutch did at least solve some issues like low speed shifting clunkiness and let's not talk about too much of the hacks of constant clutch slipping (clutch life killing) during uphill reversing. Better just avoid doing it. Many where and still are willing to accept AMT short comings for the extra emotion that the kick in the back "thwack" that a properly set uo AMT adds, some much loved drama and excitement to a driver. Others still would consider ultimate enjoyment is using a metal gated shift. That's the point really different transmissions deliver different experiences, personally I love a sequential shifter on the track. Just so engaging. On a fast road car depends on power output, weight , etc and how much tech it's got fitted out with. Dual clutch may as well make the car have no gears it's that smooth and you can only really tell by the sound. Final thing to add here is some of the latest auto sw on McLaren's and new Ferrari's etc is so good it's probably going to do a better job shifting than you! Leave it in auto? Hmmmm slippery slope towards self driven cars..m
If he enjoys the car and it runs/drives great, how is it ruined? Where I Live in the USA Capitalism is still a good thing. if he has a willing buyer and turns a profit, more power to him. its a win win . How it can be misconstrued into evil greed is beyond what I can comprehend. Even if it is a marketing ploy, thats fine too, he spent a large amount of time, as well as cash to purchase car, research, parts, and own sweat equity to make the car a reality with the hope of creating a buzz and bringing more work into his shop. (Its called ROI in America) That is capitalism at its finest in the Good ol' US of A !
Last time I was in his shop they had several man conversion swaps going in at the same time. It seems to be good for business.
I did some research Seems not all of the forks are different, even if they are different, can somebody post a pic? seems like if you have a stickshift f430, you don't have to replace any fork, or very minimal. Image Unavailable, Please Login
now I wonder if we got the forks settled, and grab a set of Scud igntion ecu+TCU and a Scud F1 actuator, it would shift just like a SF2, although the scud ignition ecu would give you some minor problems here and there ( not something can't be fixed though) To reach out on a limb, I don't even think the actuator is different. Just a guess., I am starting to think that the SF2 is different in the hardware realm is a myth. I don't have a scud. Or i'll just take them apart and compare.
