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  1. TimN88

    TimN88 F1 Veteran

    Jun 12, 2001
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    Why is it that all major computer manufacturers feel the need to outsource tech support to India. Sure, it may be cheaper, but it is frustrating. I shipped my computer in to Dell to have the fan replaced under warranty, but so far neither Muish, Richa, nor Jyoti could help me find out when I will be getting my computer back.
    Here is an excerpt from my conversation with a tech support agent...

    Jyoti 1:21:40 PM} Thank you for contacting Dell Hardware Desktop Support Chat. My name is Jyoti . May I have your complete name, telephone number and your email address as on our records?
    {tim 1:22:07 PM} x, x-x-x, (email removed to prevent spam)@gmail.com
    {Jyoti 1:22:27 PM} Thank you for this information.
    {tim 1:22:40 PM} i sent my computer in last week for service but have not gotten it back yet. can you check the status of the repairs? my service tag # is 6SHCF51
    {Jyoti 1:23:32 PM} Please allow me a moment while I check with my resources.
    {tim 1:23:36 PM} ok
    {Jyoti 1:26:51 PM} Where did you sent this system.
    {tim 1:27:28 PM} Wherever they do warranty repairs
    {tim 1:27:46 PM} i forgot what state it was in
    {Jyoti 1:28:42 PM} If you could give me any case number relating to this issue?
    {tim 1:28:55 PM} the case number is 106536223
    {Jyoti 1:30:53 PM} Please allow me a moment while I pull up your records.
    {tim 1:30:57 PM} ok
    {Jyoti 1:34:53 PM} I have checked this case number, It is case number for replacement the heat sink assembly, including fan and thermal grease.
    {Jyoti 1:34:54 PM} I have checked this case number, It is case number for replacement the heat sink assembly, including fan and thermal grease.
    {tim 1:35:14 PM} do you know when it will be done?
    {Jyoti 1:35:24 PM} Yes,
    {Jyoti 1:36:10 PM} I will tell you right now, please give me a moment.
    {Jyoti 1:37:14 PM} It is created on date ---- 07-29-05 and Time 19:08.
    {tim 1:38:17 PM} does that mean it was finished at that time?
    {Jyoti 1:39:57 PM} This case number is related to dispatch for the following items:
    heat sink assembly, including fan and thermal grease.
    {tim 1:40:15 PM} ok, but when will I have my computer back?
    {Jyoti 1:46:39 PM} Kindly tell me where you have sent this system?
    {tim 1:48:00 PM} I sent my computer in last week for service and have not gotten it back yet. CAn you check if it has been shipped back to me yet? my service tag number is 6SHCF51
    {Jyoti 1:48:07 PM} Tim, I have checked, how ever we do not have any such warranty repair service centers.
    {tim 1:48:21 PM} Then where did I send it?
    {tim 1:48:41 PM} All i want to know is when i can expect to have my computer bacl
    {Jyoti 1:49:19 PM} Tim, I am really sorry, but we do not have such warranty repair service centers.
    {tim nonna 1:49:54 PM} Then are products fixed when they break while they are still under warranty?
    {Jyoti 1:50:49 PM} This is dispatch which has been created is the service dispatch. Technician will come at your place and replace the parts.
    {tim 1:51:09 PM} I mailed it in to be repaired. Dell shipped me an empty box with a shipping label
    {tim 1:54:17 PM} What is the significance of the date (7/29/05) that you told me above? Is this when the repairs were finished?
    {Jyoti 1:54:22 PM} Tim you would need to contact the Benctek Service -800-654-1853, material has been shipped, it would be with the bentek person.
    {Jyoti 1:55:57 PM} He will come at your place and replace the respected components.
    {tim 1:56:18 PM} He cant replace anything because Dell has my computer right now

    I feel like i'm about to replace this guy's "respected components" with my foot.
    This person obviously does not have the firm grasp of the English language required to be of much assistance to me.
    Has anyone else had a problem with overseas tech support?
     
  2. JaguarXJ6

    JaguarXJ6 F1 Veteran

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    Yes.

    And its even better dealing with it in person. If people wonder why I don't have much patience, its because I exhaust my daily supply at the office.

    Sunny

    P.S. please note absence of smilies
     
  3. Schatten

    Schatten F1 World Champ
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    Yea, this is an Inspiron 5150. Not sure if you want me to look further into the status of the issue. I might have a friend or two that can look into it.

    You have to understand, the guys in India have their own scripts and if you inquire about something outside of the questions they have and their responses they have pre-scripted, then you will get the pre-scripted responses anyways. In other words, start - run - SOL.exe. (that brings up solitaire actually)

    The Indian guy is referring to BancTek, which does the onsight service for DESKTOPS in homes. Even the notebooks that are done in home/offices are done by Wang or another outsourced unit.
     
  4. ASG 86TR

    ASG 86TR Formula 3

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    Buy an IBM/Lenovo...you will get a live person in Atlanta!
     
  5. PeterS

    PeterS Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Too bad you got 'Delled' over a fan that you could have purchased at any computer retailer for ten dollars and replaced it yourself in five minutes. Dell is a classic example of which the CEO's (of these large companies) have NEVER bothered to call in to the support centers and go through waits from hell and a pathetic experience with poor languange.

    Here's the drill for corporate America:

    Get your business by the efforts of people with a good command of the English language (Except for Fry's) and lay you away for all customer and technoical support in a country where their employee's can't pronounce the words "Good Day".

    When I call Dell and hear "Hello, my dame is gapathuravitavitavegamin, howd mayd I'd gib you excellent serbice today" I want to yell out and say LEARN THE ENGLISH LANUAGE, DAMN IT"!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. Sfumato

    Sfumato F1 World Champ

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    I agree. I switched to IBM (Thanks Adam). Haven't needed service either.
    Hey Adam, did you ever get Bluetooth to work in 430??
    Dealer here had probs with another 430 too....
     
  7. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Right. They'd probably reimburse you for it too. Some things just aren't worth the headaches.
     
  8. TimN88

    TimN88 F1 Veteran

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    Yeah, its such a PITA. I will never buy a dell again. Its worth double the $$ for an IBM. The fans are a very common problem in the inspiron 5150. From what i can gather, it was a design flaw that they never fixed, and refuse to acknowledge. I could have replaced it myself, but i didnt want to short anything out or mess anytthing up as i've never worked on the inside of a laptop before. I understand they use prewritten responses, but even those are written in bad english. If the tech support was in america I would have had my answer in 2 minutes.
     
  9. axemansean

    axemansean Formula Junior

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    Cheap labor... it costs Dell say $6 to staff a tech support guy in the US when they can do the same thing for $1 in India.

    Besides... buying a pc from a big name company was your first mistake. ;)
     
  10. PeterS

    PeterS Five Time F1 World Champ
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    The fan is beyond simple to replace. Power down and plug in a new one (Once you have taken the old one out and matched the size, voltage and current draw). Every computer I buy, I always buy a fan with more CFM than what's in it from the factory. The extra current required for a higher CFM fan has never hurt the system's performance.

    Fans are a problem with most all manufacturer's (of the fan), as they are ALL hand made. About the only automated equipment a fan manufacturer has are auto-winders for the stators. In today's hi-tech manufacturing environment, fans are real 'stone age' as far as production is concerned.
     
  11. PeterS

    PeterS Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Find me a Tech guy in the US for $6 and hour (I presummed you meant $6 per hour) and I'll hire him right now to do all of my IT for $10!
     
  12. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I had a similar issue with a Compaq laptop. The screen died at least 3 times and it was outside of the 1 year warranty, but inside the 90-day warranty they give on repaired parts. The stupid woman in India refused to honor the warranty. I had called on the 90th day (expecting other problems with the laptop). I asked that she make a note of the incident which she said she did. Of course, the next day, no record of this incident. In the end, Compaq refused to cover it under warranty. I was livid. Never again with Compaq.

    What I don't get is that if these people are just giving scripted responses, what function do they serve? Can't this be automated on a website??? I think Dell just wants to have a live body on the other end of the phone in an (erroneous) belief that talking to someone will placate customers. On the contrary, dealing with these sorts of people will enrage customers.

    Dell is even outsourcing their sales now! It used to be only for home but now it's for small business too. The last time I tried to buy something on my Dell credit account I got some guy in India who didn't seem to give a crap about my order, even though it was for 3 computers. I have also had 2 orders "lost" even though I got a confirmation email - they claimed they never got them.

    Sadly, I don't think anyone could out-compete Dell because we're all so used to the low low prices.
     
  13. Schatten

    Schatten F1 World Champ
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    It has become the Wal-Mart of computers.

    The Dell notebooks will never be like an IBM. The guys who source the parts and configure them know it. It isn't supposed to be the best out there, only a good one for the dollar.

    Tim, the offer still stands, or else, just ask for a manager and don't say anything else until you get on the phone with a manager.
     
  14. axemansean

    axemansean Formula Junior

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    Yes I meant you can hire one and pay then $6 an hour.
     
  15. JonBrent

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    Yep, I've had the same problems too, only mine were with Earthlink. My DSL was up perhaps an hour a day, and all calls to 'tech support' were overseas burger flippers reading a script.

    In hindsight, the script was pretty classic (cycle power & call back, etc), but what got me in the end was the guy telling me my satellite TV was interfering with the their signal, and I needed to call and have their technician come to my house. Huh? That part of the script should have asked about phone line filters, but there was zero knowledge on the other end of the line that call, so telling him everything else was unpluged and off made no difference. And no, you can't go backwards in the script!

    Yep, I fired them. But I still get aggravated by the 100% American faces on the Earthlink TV ads - it's a total lie. They seem like nice folks, too bad they are about to lose their jobs.

    It's a sad reality really, once good companies going the way of Wal-Mart.
     
  16. ASG 86TR

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    Got the BlueTooth to work...not well, but it does work.
     
  17. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
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    You've got one helluva memory!
     
  18. Silver Spider

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    I had the same problem with my Compaq laptop with the screen dying outside warranty. Luckily the service people are based around the corner from us. Unfortunately, the mother board went faulty at the same time, total quote $1100 NZ to repair.

    Compaq wouldn't do anything about it even though I paid $5000 NZ (equivalent of about $3500 US) for it. I was told that because I used it for business I wouldn't be able to claim anything just outside warranty.
     
  19. JaguarXJ6

    JaguarXJ6 F1 Veteran

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    Did they furnish that in writing? Two words: Smear campaign.

    Sunny
     
  20. TimN88

    TimN88 F1 Veteran

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    Thanks for the offer, but I almost have my computer back. They sent it to my house in NY and not where I currently am in new mexico. Now the battle to see if they will send aother empty box with a shipping label to ship it from NY to NM begins.
     
  21. Schatten

    Schatten F1 World Champ
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    Tim, talk to a manager. Ask them to send call tags. That means they'll ship out the box to your current address.
     

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