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PAGID RSC1 for Scuderia CCM?

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  1. johan6504

    johan6504 Formula 3

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    #1 johan6504, Mar 14, 2013
    Has anyone tried this new PAGID compound on their 430 Scuderias yet? Just hear about it from my BREMBO contact...
     
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    #2 FerrariDublin, Mar 14, 2013
    No, but toss me the keys and I'll report back? :D

    Bump!
     
  3. freshmeat

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    #3 freshmeat, Mar 14, 2013
    I know the Porsche cup car guys have given it a try because I believe it was originally an application for their cars, but I'm not sure how good or bad the compound will be for our Scuderia ccm rotors.
     
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    #4 johan6504, Mar 14, 2013
    From PAGID pdf

    PAGID RSC - newly developed brake pads for ceramic racing disc
    Race compounds specifically engineered for various ceramic disc applications.
    Only eligibly and released material for ceramic composite brake discs.

    RSC 1:
    Sprint race and track day compound for all known types of Ceramic brake discs.
    This friction material features an ideal combination of cold friction, fade resistance
    and low thermal oxidation of the disc surface fibres.

    RSC 2:
    Special race compound for ceramic discs with a high content of fibres in the friction surface.
    Excellent fading stability, very high friction level and low pad wear.

    RSC 3:
    Special race compound for Ceramic discs with low content of fibres in the friction surface.
    Excellent fading stability, very high friction level and low pad wear.
     
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    #5 johan6504, Mar 14, 2013
    Slightly different info from a Porsche site.

    The RSC1 is a club race pad and falls in between the stock P40 and the full
    racing P50. They are available in Germany for the GT3.

    The RSC2 will be a full race pad (like the P50) for a different kind of
    ceramic such as Brembo used for example on all Ferraris.

    The RSC3 will be similar to P50 for SGL ceramic discs used for example by
    Porsche
     
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    #6 johan6504, Mar 18, 2013
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    PAGID pad characteristics including RSC 1, 2 and 3

    The difference between RS19/29 and RSC1 seems to small if you compare their characteristics. But what about heat cycle behavior and other factors...
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    #7 Teachdocs, Jul 16, 2013
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    Anyone with track experience on these new RSC1 pads yet?
    Just installed a new set on the 16M in prep for ROA FCA International event.
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    #9 Teachdocs, Aug 18, 2013
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    Follow up on my experience with Pagid RSC 1 pads on the 16M.

    The pads were a perfect fitment for the car. Wear sensor fits as well so no warning light.
    The new pads were bedded in following a recommended procedure for CCM brakes.

    The cold bite is not quite as good as the OEM pads, but still quite acceptable for street applications too. Based on my informal observations and other drivers' observations, the pads were a definite improvement over factory pads at the track. Other Scuds could not brake as deep which allowed for some pretty quick lap times. RA is demanding on brake systems.

    Approximately 600 miles were at Road America, and another 400 miles have been at HPT. Add in another 200 miles of street driving. They began to lose some bite after all these heat cycles so I took them off to inspect and swap back to OEM pads for street use.

    Rear pads were about 85% and front pads about 60% material remaining. It has been reported to not go beyond 50% on the CCM rotors or you can get accelerated wear or damage to the expensive CCM rotors. You could see the metal pad rivets at 60% on the front pads. The CCM rotors looked perfect, although I did not remove them for weight analysis.

    Here are a few pics of the pads after track use. Frankly, I was a bit surprised by their appearance.
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    #14 Phil57, Feb 26, 2020
    Bizarre because my OEM front Brembo pads are engraved on the back as my RSC1 pads !!!
    Textar T4300FF = same compound ! = same feeling !
    so now i will go to RSC2 compound which is especially made for CCM discs
    (CCM Matrix with high content of carbon fibers versus other CCB with low content )
     

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    #15 Manda racing, Mar 19, 2020
    I ran the RSC-1 at a handful of tracks and on the street last year and still on the street now.

    I prefer the pads that were on it before- stock. Especially for cold bite on the street. FWIW
     

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