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  1. Cincy2

    Cincy2 Karting

    Feb 11, 2015
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    Tampa FL
    I've got a new to me black 2014 F12. The car has had a clear bra installed on most of the normal surfaces. I had the guy who put Xpel Ultimate on my Lambo (he did a fantastic job) out to look at the car and asked him what he thought of the job. He said it was a good install but did recommend adding some film to a couple of additional places. He also recommended the installation of a ceramic coating on all the wrapped surfaces plus all the exposed paint and the rims. He uses two types: GTechnik and OptiCoat Pro. The concept seems attractive. The guy does this for the local Ferrari dealership. I trust him with all my cars. But....anyone here used either of these products?? I'm open to almost anything I can do to help protect the black paint.

    Thx
    Cincy
     
  2. Zaius

    Zaius Formula Junior

    May 8, 2014
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    It seems to be the current trend with detailers pushing these coatings. I really don't see the point of adding extra coating to the Xpel already. If I were you I would do a full paint correction and then wrap the entire car in Xpel Ultimate, + Clearplex or Bray group on the windshield. That's what I did on my F12. The car is easier to wash and flies/bugs wipe off easier, + the peace of mind that you can drive quick while not worrying about stone chipping..
     
  3. Caeruleus11

    Caeruleus11 F1 World Champ
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    Jun 11, 2013
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    The reason for coating the film is it makes it easier to clean as dirt sticks to the film a lot easier than the clear coat. Some of these coatings have been developed specifically for the films and they can help. Its diminishing returns though on a value scale.

    PS- Congratulations on the F12!!
     
  4. luvair

    luvair Formula 3
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    Jun 4, 2005
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    A few months ago, I spoke with Xpel in their San Antonio HQ's; they did not recommend the ceramic coating on the clear film. They recommended to just treat it as paint, so regular waxing is fine. Personally, for me, these ceramic products don't have much of long term history. But do know, some high end detailers disagree with me, especially if a daily driver.

    Very best with your F12!
     
  5. Surfah

    Surfah F1 Rookie

    Dec 20, 2011
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    What have you guys heard about glass coating like Modesta? My detailer is recommending the product. A couple friends have been pleased with the results.
     
  6. Cincy2

    Cincy2 Karting

    Feb 11, 2015
    66
    Tampa FL
    Thanks for the input guys. Like anything else, there are a lot of subjective opinions pro and con on the web. I trust the guy who is doing the work. He brought his BMW M4 over to my house to show me what the coating looked like on top of Xpel. He has had it installed for two years. It was very glossy and looked like a deep carnuba shine. He had no wax whatsoever on the car. I'm scheduled to get Opticoat Pro in two weeks on all surfaces including wheel rims. I will report the results.

    Cincy
     
  7. luvair

    luvair Formula 3
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    Jun 4, 2005
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    I gave the coatings on my newer cars much thought, and my response is subjective; almost like what are the "best" tires, gasoline, and/or oil to use in our automobiles.

    I decided not to do it for following reasons:

    The paint needs to be prepped before the coating. Often this involves wet sanding and removing the very thin (thickness of onion skin) clear coat. Yes, know Ferraris have lots of orange peel, so may be a good thing. But I am not sure I want a fraction of my clear coat removed, especially along the edges that has least amount of clear.

    My restoration shop call Glasurit and they did not endorse it. Who knows, they may have partnerships/marketing with a traditional wax manufactures.

    If the ceramic gets lightly scratch, you probably need to redo the complete panel, as it cannot be spotted to smooth down the scratch, and blend into the ceramic finished panel.

    I enjoy washing and waxing cars. Won many significant concours events with plain old wax. When attending many high end concours (like Amelia/Pebble) , I never seen any of the entrants use the ceramic coating. Same when they prep cars are Int'l auctions.
    Even though, ceramic wax has been out a while, its still like beta software code to me.

    That all said, if my car was a daily driver, did not wash and wax the car myself, it can be an alternative. Clearly, there a many serious detailers that swear by the ceramic waxes; maybe 'cause its finally getting recognition, and cars do look great after the treatment. Plus, finally, its a good money maker for them, and to me, some detailers do not get enough money for their professional efforts.
     
  8. Surfah

    Surfah F1 Rookie

    Dec 20, 2011
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    Thanks for response.
     
  9. Ferro458

    Ferro458 Karting

    May 26, 2014
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    It is not the case the car needs to be wet sanded. Preparation involves removing wax only, not clear coat or paint. The prep is usually just detergent. If you have a poor paint job with orange peel it should be corrected anyway, whether you plan to wax or use a ceramic coating.

    Also, the leading coatings are much harder than paint and do not scratch easily at all. In any case it is better to have a coating scratched than your paint. The whole point is to have a sacrificial layer that saves your paint. Wax cannot do this.

    Ceramic coats are high value add in some peoples minds. They look great, an eliminate the need to wax, protect your paint from damage and last a long time.

    They are threads in the detailing section on this.
     
  10. luvair

    luvair Formula 3
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    Jun 4, 2005
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    Modesta is the only I would use. Heard great results from a detailer I trust.
     

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