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  1. VOLTURBO

    VOLTURBO Karting

    Nov 21, 2003
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    Halifax
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    Jeff
    Hello all,

    I was hoping that someone could shed more light on the paint code decal (image attached) found on my 1981 400i. Fellow Fchat member "Ramboy" sent me some information earlier this year which stated the original colour was Avorio Safari however the decal states "Bianco" by Montedison. The only advertised color that I can find using Montedison is Blu Scuro.

    It seems Ferrari is unwilling to give up this information without full Classiche certification and I'm not prepared for that at this time. I do plan to paint the car next year as the original paint is very dry and cracked. I have convinced myself that failing confirmation of the original color, I will paint the car the Maserati color of Bianco Eldorado which I believe is also a "creamy" white (I've always been a huge Maserati fan).

    Is there any chance the car was repainted white at an early age by a company with the wherewithal to have their own paint decals :). This does look official although I've never heard of Montedison...

    Any info will be appreciated.
    Best
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  2. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Chassis number please. Thank you.
    Which car are we talking about?
    31393, 35033 or 36083?
    All three originally painted Avorio Safari.

    And Duco is/was a well-known paint manufacturer.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  3. VOLTURBO

    VOLTURBO Karting

    Nov 21, 2003
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    Chassis# 33563

    Thanks!
     
  4. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Original exterior color: Extra Campionario (which means it was a specially requested custom color, not a standard range color).
    Original interior color: Tabacco VM 846 Connolly.
    15 September 1980 completed.
    Original owner: Giovanni Adamo, Italy.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  5. VOLTURBO

    VOLTURBO Karting

    Nov 21, 2003
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    Wow, very interesting! Thank you Mr. Massini! I suppose I should take every effort to re-create the original color.
    Any suggestions on how I might find a paint code or chip?
    Best,
    Jeff
     
  6. raemin

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    #6 raemin, Nov 12, 2024
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    As the car was painted in the Pinin farina factory you could try to ask them. If they are not willing, as a last resort you can check for all the colours of the other cars that were processed in this factory back then.

    Looks similar to the PPG "Chamonix White".

    As for the paint-ships : all the parts that are easy to remove (door-cards) would have been oversprayed, you could try to remove the harder ones such as the dashboard, or the fuel tanks.
     
  7. VOLTURBO

    VOLTURBO Karting

    Nov 21, 2003
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    Thank you for the advice! I guess I have 5 months of winter to examine the car further :).

    It's possible that the car is still in it's original paint. I just assumed it might have been a relatively cheap re-spray due to it's poor condition. There are sections where it looks as though a top layer has flaked away. I have attached photos. When I heard that it may have originally been Avorio Safari, I was convinced that it wasn't the original coat of paint. Now I believe it could still be original. The paint has lots of "stress" or heat related cracks. Maybe due to the old paints not having any flexible/urethane additive?

    Best,
    Jeff

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  8. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Looks like the original color to me.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  10. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Given the condition of the paint I assume it will be stripped. I also assume as a relatively new car, if it was repainted it was not stripped. In the stripping process any prior paint job or color will be obvious.
     
  11. VOLTURBO

    VOLTURBO Karting

    Nov 21, 2003
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    Thank you for your reseach! I guess it will be a matter of trial and error to find the correct shade. We'll have to paint a few samples first...
     
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  13. VOLTURBO

    VOLTURBO Karting

    Nov 21, 2003
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    Thanks for the pics! I'm tempted to go with a "standard" Ferrari white. I joke about "Cocaine white" as it's an 80's car and I grew up in the 80s (never tried coke though lol). My car is leaning closer to a french vanilla. I should honor the original special order paint if I can, but I will never be certain if it's correct...
     
  14. raemin

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    The original "creamy" white did make a lot of sense as a tan interior wants a warm colour. By contrast the regular ("blueish") white is not such a good match for the upholstery.

    I would personally have a look at the shades of white that Pinin Farina was using on the Peugeot 504 Coupé & Cab. There were at least three shades of yellowish/brownish whites. Here enclosed the lightest and most lurid variants...

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  15. VOLTURBO

    VOLTURBO Karting

    Nov 21, 2003
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    The top picture does look very close! I will investigate further. Thanks again!
     
  16. raemin

    raemin Formula 3

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    The owner of the brown car (4th from the left in the background) matched his colour against a talbot cab that was made by Pinin Farina back then. That's how I got the tip...
     
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