Paint formula Grigio Conchiglia

Hi Peter......I presume you mean the modern equivalent available today........If nobody nearer to home supplies the answer, telephone my painter in the UK.......Andy Cockshead....he will be able to help you. TEL: 0044 1483 200505. good luck

 

Grigio Ingrid might be a close approximation that would be relatively easy to get today.

 

Just sharing some personal experience here… I chased after the paint code for my 1964 250GT/L for a while and was given a Galsurit code that coincided with a 1980’s Testa Rossa color. At first I discounted the info and doubted that the color would be the same. Then I compared a little sample of the color with whatever little trace of the original paint that was left on my car. Sure enough, to my surprise, the color was very, very close. The match was certainly good enough for a complete car repaint, if not exact enough for a partial car repaint.

john

 

Peter,

You may wish you clarify which of the two color codes you reference is the one you would like to match? One is an Italver color, the other is a Max Meyer color. They may share the same "shell gray" name, but are likely two different colors. The same name was often just carried over to another period and to a selection from the range of a different paint manufacturer. Pininfarina for example changed products over time; names were re-used for colors of similar general character, but I think that exact continuity was not given weight. Also, the same color catalog code was often given several names, depending on the marque. 16249MM was identified as "Grigio Conchiglia" by Pininfarina in the Ferrari application; in the Lancia offerings, the same Max Meyer 16249MM paint was called "Grigio Albany". I see the suggestion that 16249 has a slight greenish character to it; I am familiar with the real original 16249 color - to my eye this is not the case; it is silver-gray.

 

+1.......This happens so often........Rosso Rubino, Blu Chiaro, Azzuro Met to name but a few.

 

Would be an interesting list of what colors had a different or variation of their original name and what colors had different variations of color for the same name. Also what is available if you are looking for these colors today.

 

Another way is to match the samples that were produced in period. Not from pictures though but with a spectrophotometer.

 

From my experience - it is IMPOSSIBLE to truly accurately match any of those old colors. Having the codes and the 'list of ingedients' doesn't help much because neither the ingedients nor the original base paints exist today. Moreover, even if you have a panel that still has its original paint to use as a match, that paint has weathered and faded over the years.

Unless someone has written a computer program where you can type in the original 'blend' and supplier and then have the program give you a modern blend for a modern supplier that is equivalent, it is all alchemy. As far as I know, this has not happened.

Anyway, I would like a real painter to tell me how he reproduces old colors based upon some written piece of information saying how they were originally produced.

IMHO, the way to go is to get a very good idea of what the original looked like and then find a modern color that is close, and use the modern color. Much less headache in the long run.

Ad as for ElWayne - are you saying that Grigio Ingrid (Literally Ingrid - for the princess - Grey) is not grey but gold. I went to look at a GI 360 for sale and it was definitely grey - not gold.

 

Yes.

My thoughts were it would be useful to compile a list of what people have learned about the variances in names and colors over the years.

 

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IMHO, the way to go is to get a very good idea of what the original looked like and then find a modern color that is close, and use the modern color. Much less headache in the long run.

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Thats fine but modern paint and modern painting methods always looks wrong on the older cars. Its too solid and has no depth.

 

here in the new world those old paints are illegal and generally not avialable.

 

Breaking the law is a small price to pay for the right finish AFAIC.

 

that grigio conchigiia (sea shell) was much closer to the color on that 360 you show than on that grigio titanio car you show.

If I remember it right, GC had a hint of pink in it. Some irridesdence. An masybe a touch of green and gold too. It wasn't a basic color. Just like the inside of a a sea shell isn't a basic color. More like silver cad plating.

Check out PH 189 - is that GC on the cover (I think not but it is close)

And, finally, yes...the person in question was Ingrid Bergman (actress) and not Grace Kelly (princess). My bad...should know better. When I was a kid my mother always used to talk about having once met Roberto Rossellini (IB's husband - quite a scandal they created BTW) in Italy during the war. I beleive he was in my mom's home town visiting Girardengo (or maybe it was Coppi), the famous bicycle racer.

 

As I went through this process last year, I have to agree with you completely on this.

Even though I tracked the Grigio Argento Italver code through Glasurit & PPG I seriously doubt it would exactly match the car when it was painted originally. Besides the materials, etc., different application techniques will produce slightly different results, especially with metallic.

And then you park next to a blue tent at a show and it looks wrong anyway...

 

+1000 People just don't understand what the process is for a paint job and how the base materials affect the colors. As the EPA tightens down on the paint industry the manufactures are forced to use different materials to make the paint base, thus changing the way the paint is applied and the looks. Paint codes used to be good for very long periods of time, now it's years.

Even the paint codes to your house or deck stain has most likely changed in the last few years.

 

Hi Peter,

I am in the same situation, wanting to replicate grigio Conchiglia. What did you do in the end?

Louis