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355 Parking brake light out and HVAC climate lights.

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  1. Shurik355

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    #1 Shurik355, Jun 30, 2019
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    ok guys so my parking brake/hand brake on the speedo cluster does not light up. And my Climate control lights were dim.
    Parking brake works ok but the light doesn't light up when it's on.
    I've researched the problem and didn't find much on those. Many had the parking light that constantly stays on, but mine actually doesn't light up at all.
    So I attacked the problem by changing the bulb for the parking brake on the cluster, if in case it's a burned out bulb. The bulb looked ok but I still changed it for the new one just in case. Still the parking light doesn't light up. What could it be??? Something with the brake switch somewhere???

    Also since my HVAC or climate controls were dim, I decided to change the bulbs for the new ones. I replaced the bulbs and it still dim as before. So it's not the bulb problem. Does anyone know what it could be???

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    So in the picture below, I already took out the bulb there which is for the "parking brake" if you notice.
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    The black bulbs are the old ones, and the gray ones are the replacement ones.
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  2. Qavion

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    Is your HVAC panel plastic just turning yellow and cutting down the light transmission?

    I'm assuming you've tried adjusted your instrument dimmer knob? (on the tachometer). Lighting power from fuse 12 in the forward luggage compartment goes to the tachometer dimmer potentiometer then, via splices, to all the other instruments/panels. If you have a high resistance between the dimmer and the HVAC panel, it could affect the brightness. If you can find a yellow-red wire on the dimmer, do a resistance check between that and the HVAC panel pin 2. Or, if you have already reinstalled your instrument binnacle and hooked up all your binnacle wiring, check the voltage at pin 2 of your HVAC panel plug and a good earth with your ignition on.

    This diagram shows the pin configuration of the HVAC panel.

    HVAC Wiring Diagram (F355 2.7)

    The park brake light is probably, as we discussed earlier, a faulty handbrake switch.

    Hope this helps.
     
  3. Shurik355

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    I didn't notice the HVAC panel plastic on the inside is turning yellow or not. I looked real quick at it, and didn't pay much attention. Maybe it's not transparent enough for the light that it receives? Will need to take it apart and check it again, maybe it will need to be replaced. I remember the post here i read, that this problem was brought up, and by simply changing the bulbs in the HVAC solved the problem of the light being dim.

    Now the brake light switch could be the problem for the light not working on the tachometer. Just need to know if anyone know the exact location of it, because I couldn't find any info on it at all.
     
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    #4 Qavion, Jun 30, 2019
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    Just to clarify using part of one of your excellent photos..

    Find the instument binnacle plug socket which corresponds to pin 2 shown in the photograph.


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    ... and then check the continuity of the wiring between that socket and pin 2 of the HVAC panel plug.

    It's probably easier to do a straight voltage check on the HVAC panel, though.

    If your panel lighting is generally dim and your dimmer seems to be adjusting brightness, then perhaps you could clean and check the points shown in the photo and also (edit) pin 1 in the photo.
     
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    Sorry, I think I've lost you. The HVAC and brake light problems are unrelated. Don't confuse panel and instrument background lighting with warning light illumination. The warning lights are not powered by the same power source/fuse as the instrument background lighting and don't use the dimmer .
     
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    Light not working on tachometer? Which light?

    Exact location of what?
     
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    #7 Shurik355, Jun 30, 2019
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    No I meant the ''parking brake'' light on the cluster. That's the only light that's not working. sorry if I confused you.
    And yes I did get pretty confused now with what to check and what's related and what's not. :confused: haha

    Anyway it's not the illumination problem, because all the lights are bright apart from the HVAC lights. On the HVAC panel the "Stop" and "circulation" buttons are lit up nicely. It's just the other climate control lights are dim. I need to take a picture so you know what exactly i mean.
     
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    Because you have one of those cars which sits between the early 2.7 and 5.2 cars, it's difficult to know what powers the park brake light (no wiring diagrams available). Some of these warning lights share a power source, but I'm not able to say which lights on your car share a power source, so it's hard to narrow down the problem to power or earth issue. For info, most of the warning lights are powered by fuse 25 in the passenger footwell. Generally, if all the other warning lights are working, then it's probably not a power problem, so I'd start checking the handbrake switch.

    With your HVAC problem, if your binnacle wiring is all back together, just go straight to the voltage check at pin 2 on the HVAC anel.
     
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    Yes Im gonna need to locate the hand brake switch. Hopefully someone will come in here and point out where exactly to look for it before I start guessing myself.

    On the HVAC problem, Ian can you locate pin 2, which one is that? The chart you posted lost me completely there, I couldn't understand it.
     
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    #10 Qavion, Jun 30, 2019
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    For the HVAC panel, look towards the bottom right hand side of the diagram. There is a graphic of the panel and above that, the HVAC panel wiring, including a rectangle with a green dot next to it. This shows the plug socket numbering.

    If the harness feeding the HVAC panel has visible wiring colours, you don't need to worry about the numbering. Just check the voltage on the yellow wire (with red stripe). Use the socket with the black wire on it as an earth for your other voltmeter probe.

    Sorry.. had to make a few edits in this message... Too many late nights..
     
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    Gotcha, yes I see it in the diagram now. Looks like it makes sense now. I will check later the progress of this on the car.
    And yes late night for me too here, Im seating at my PC and it's 3am here :eek: lol
     
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    Can someone else with a 2.7 USA car confirm that the park brake light illuminates during engine start with the park brake off?
     
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    No takers? (or too many sore heads after 4th July celebrations? :D )
     
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    I have a '95, and my parking brake light on the dash was not functioning when I purchased the car. The part number for the switch was not indicated on my bill, though I believe that it is item number 9 at ricambiamerica, part number 114318, Switch.

    Also, I verified that my parking brake light does not illuminate when the key is turned to the on position, unless the parking brake is engaged.
     
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    Thanks Craig. I'm still not sure if I have to remove a line in my diagram that I thought I had to add for USA 2.7 cars. I think it may be triggered by start, instead of run.
     
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    Ok thanks guys! I'm gonna look into the parking brake this upcoming week. Gonna locate the switch and see what's up. Maybe it's not connected there or needs a switch
     
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    #17 Qavion, Jul 7, 2019
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    Alex, did you confirm that your park brake light currently does not work when the car is started with the handbrake off? If we can get someone to confirm that the light is supposed to illuminate during start on a USA 2.7 car with the handbrake off, then, if yours doesn't illuminate, it's not the switch that is faulty.
     
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    Ian yes the light does not light up at all with the parking brake on or off upon the start up. I thought Pcarcraig above verified about it. He said the light only illuminates when the parking brake is engaged, if it's not engaged the light will not turn on upon the start up as most lights do.
     
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    #19 Qavion, Jul 9, 2019
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    No, Craig said it did not come on in ON (RUN). We still need someone to confirm that the light does not come on in START with the brake off.

    Some lights do not come on in ON, but do come on during START. e.g. in theory, the brake system warning light should come on during cranking.

    (EDIT: I can't explain why your photo shows the brake system warning light illuminated in ON... I assume that's what your photo shows)
     
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    The brake system warning light [BRAKE] responds to front brake wear, low brake pressure and low reservoir fluid levels. If I remember correctly, the pump should begin to run in ACCY, so perhaps the light remains illuminated in RUN if you move from OFF to RUN quickly (before the pump has built up pressure). It should extinguish fairly quickly. However, according to the diagram, the light should re-illuminate during start because of the relay in module 06625 (Brake, Seat Belt and Door Open Warning Module).
     
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    That's exactly correct. The brake light disappear fairly quickly in the ON position (so I had to hurry up and take the pictures before it disappears), and than comes on for a short moment after the START.

    Ian what does your Euro car does with the parking brake? how does it illuminate?
     
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    Ian Im pretty sure the parking brake light will not come on in the START, if the parking brake is off. Let me ask Craig just in case.
     
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    Confusing. Here's the message that made me add an extra wire in my diagram for USA drivers:

    DaveRocks has a (later model) USA 355F1, and he says it lights up on start. Unfortunately, he's not available for further comment at the moment.

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/146020847/

    Perhaps we have a different definition of START or later models are different.
     
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    Just read the thread in that link you posted. I looks like mine is the switch problem. I still haven't gotten to check the switch, but will try this Saturday. Need to change my trans-axle oil on my 355 as well.
     
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    #25 Shurik355, Jul 20, 2019
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    Well I finally got around and checked the brake switch location and found out something. The switch wasn't even plugged in. Someone previously disconnected the switch or something. And why it wasn't plugged in, is because it missing part of the switch. I at first wasn't sure what what going on. Where does it connect to, and than realized that the actual connector is missing. Why???? I have no idea what happened, going to order a new one and hopefully there are no surprises.

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