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  1. parkerfe

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    #1 parkerfe, Sep 28, 2013
    While not a Ferrari event, the Ferrari prancing horse was derived from the same horse as the Porsche crest; the Coat of Arms for the city of Stuttgart. Concours 4
     
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    #2 spirot, Sep 29, 2013
    Huh?

    the Porsche- stuttgart crest comes from old german for "stud" garden or horse paddock... where they raise horses which is what they did back in the Roman times. The modern crest is only from the 30's

    Ferrari Cavalo comes from the WWI fighter pilot Franchesco Barracca's airplane ... he was a Calvary officer and that is where the black cavalino rampate comes from his logo predates the city of Stuttgarts current /Porshce crest..

    prior to the 30's it was sometimes several horses on black and yellow green flags ...

    when you visit the factory they tell you the genesis of the logo... and confirm that Ferrari's is older..... as he used it in the 30's... Porsche not untill after WWII
     
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    #3 parkerfe, Sep 30, 2013
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    ; The motif of a prancing horse is old, it can be found on ancient coins. A similar black horse on a yellow shield is the Coat of Arms of the German city of Stuttgart, home of Mercedes-Benz and the design bureau of Porsche, both being main competitors of Alfa and Ferrari in the 1930s. The city's name derives from Stutengarten, an ancient form of the German word Gestüt, which translates into English as stud farm and into Italian as scuderia. Porsche also includes the Stuttgart sign in its corporate logo, centred in the emblem of the state of Württemberg. Stuttgart's Rössle has both rear legs firmly planted on the soil, like Baracca's horse, but unlike Ferrari's cavallino.
    Fabio Taglioni used the cavallino rampante on his Ducati motorbikes, as Taglioni was born at Lugo di Romagna like Baracca, and his father too was a military pilot during WWI (although not part of Baracca's squadron, as is sometimes mistakenly reported). As Ferrari's fame grew, Ducati abandoned the horse- perhaps the result of a private agreement between the two companies.




    This is the story I have heard since the 70s on how the Stuttgart and Ferrari horses are connected:History of the Ferrari logo | StockLogos.com:http://f1ferrarifan.50webs.com/Horse_History.htm
     
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    #4 spirot, Sep 30, 2013
    Scuderia means stable in Italian.

    Porsche as a company did not have a logo until the late 40's .. i think 1947-48... when the inital 356 was produced.

    Dr. Ing. h. c. F. Porsche GmbH - was the first company - they desigend the VW -Kubelwagon, Auto Union racing cars, & Tiger tank etc... but not under the Porsche Brand...

    Enzo was using the yellow shield & prancing horse with SF Scuderia Ferrari as far back as 1935 when he was racing Alfa's....

    Baracca use of the horse - is documented by the Italian air force as his right as an officer of the calvary to have a mascot.
     
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    #5 parkerfe, Oct 1, 2013
    I never said Ferrari used the Porsche logo. I said that both Porsche and Ferrari got their logo from the same source, the Coat of Arms for Stuttgart, which they did, albeit indirectly. Porsche got it from the German city from which it was born and Ferrari got it from Barracca's plane who got it from a German plane from Stuttgart.
     
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    #6 Gatorrari, Oct 2, 2013
    The story as I heard it is that Barracca rode before the war with the Stuttgart riding club, and thus adopted their logo when he became a pilot. If so, that means a fairly direct link between the Ferrari and Porsche logos.
     
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    #8 spirot, Oct 3, 2013
    Not to beat a dead horse....pun intended...

    Baracca was a Calvary officer from around his home town in Florence. at the beginning of the 19th century he became interested in flying. at that time Calvary provided a lot of Flyers - Baracca was one of them. Coming from a noble family he was alowed as a Cavaliere to have a coat of arms or personal mascot - he chose a black rampant horse that was the mascot from his Calvary squadron. if this came from Stuttgart it would be rare as Stuttgart only adopted a single rampant horse on a yellow background in 1932. prior to that time -
     

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