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  1. TJsBeer

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    FChat user Adam91388 contacted me pretending to be interested in my FF for sale. Turns out he works for PCARMARKET and used this lure to get my contact info to try and convince me to list my car on his sight.
    I reported him to Rob.
    Rob was very responsive.
    But, this guy will not stop hounding me to the point of sending me PMs on Facebook.
    Sellers beware of PCARMARKET tactics.
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  3. Dave Bertrand

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    I see no evidence of false claims or pretenses. It isn't like he deceived you in an evil plot to secure your phone number. I don't see a problem with what he did here on Fchat.

    Contacting you repeatedly through Facebook after you've already indicated you weren't interested is going too far though. That would annoy me as well.
     
  4. dgoldenz94

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    Adam did the same thing sending me a PM on rennlist about my 911. Pretty annoying to not be up front about what they’re doing. I had to ask several questions to get to the point of finding out he’s not a private buyer.
     
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  5. JL350

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    Jeff I feel your pain, it is one thing to ask and get told no, but the pressure crap by hounding you is going to far. Hope he just moves on.
     
  6. 19633500GT

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    why not invite him to explain himself?

    @adam91388 the stage is yours.
     
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  8. ShineKen

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    It is deception because Pcar is a sponsor on here. Why couldn’t Pcar simply contact people with their Pcar user instead of creating misc users?
     
  9. ScottS

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    Contacted me. Spoke on the phone. Was polite, civil and concluded his pitch. Seemed nice and interested in this domain. Did not have a problem like some others from other ventures.
     
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  10. jordanfsl

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    Seems perfectly reasonable to send you a PM - from the PCarMarket user name - pitching their service, and seeing if it was a good match for your expectations.

    Doing it from a separate user name with a vague opening question....and then hounding you after....not appropriate.
     
  11. Nembo1777

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    Very annoying got a PM this evening from this person:

    Hello,

    Is there a number I can reach you at regarding your Barchetta Mas?

    Thanks, Adam

    He acts like he is a prospect when in fact he just wants to sell ads, very rude and unethical: black listed as far as I am concerned, just total lack of education and manners.
     
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  13. jordanfsl

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    Bold to continue doing it even after being called out!
     
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  14. rob lay

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    I just banned his account.
     
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  15. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Is this guy directly associated with Pcarmarket?
     
  16. rob lay

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    I'm sure, don't know if employee or contractor/sales.
     
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  17. dgoldenz94

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    Yes he does work for them
     
  18. Nembo1777

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    Bravo!
     
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  19. JSinNOLA

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    Sometimes you just read a thread like this and wonder why anyone would think that would:

    A. Be appropriate
    B. Go over well
     
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  20. rob lay

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    you know as a sponsor you have the right to message a user, but only specific users you really think might be interested. be straight up who you are, stop when they say stop, and don't go spamming. easy enough.
     
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  21. JSinNOLA

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    One would think!
     
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  22. Rory J

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    Someone from PCarMarket stuck a card under my windshield wiper at Concorso Italiano in Monterey this year suggesting I sell my car on their website. It's interesting how desperate PCarMarket is for listings when BaT is so busy.
     
  23. rob lay

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    not really, BAT has critical mass, there are 40 collector auction sites now, PM has probably done better than most competing. Like others have said, hard to compete with BAT when you see listings get 20x the traffic.
     
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  24. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Five Time F1 World Champ
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    What is PM’s competitive advantage? Selling on BAT is pretty darn cheap, particularly for the eyeballs.


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  25. technom3

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    Probably that you can list something on their in less than 60 days.
     
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  26. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Didn't realize BAT took that long.
     
  27. Lusso123

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    Long wait, that is... if you're car is even accepted, a lot of vetting... has been like this for awhile now.
     
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  28. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Five Time F1 World Champ
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    I guess there is not much hope for my Jensen Healey then.
     

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